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SimilarWeb has just released traffic estimates for June. According to these estimates, Reddit's traffic has seen a 3.36% month-over-month decrease.
For comparison, here's how traffic has changed for other popular social networking websites:
Source: https://www.similarweb.com/website/reddit.com/#overview
I suspect half that drop is from me alone, lol.
Reddit lost a LOT of their power users. Even if the general traffic isn't that badly dented, it means a lot of the best content and conversations will not go back. Reddit will spiral down to a 9gag clone.
I lurk the frontpage occasionally and I've already noticed the Reddit atmosphere has gotten ... weird.
Little-known, content-churning subreddits are bubbling to the top because of all the other blackouts and desertions. Fringe viewpoints and wacko opinions that would normally get downvoted to the bottom of a thread are now out in the open because there's no voice of reason to hold them back.
And the kind of people that are still on there, acting as if everything is fine (or, God forbid, better(???) than it was before the revolts) ... it's a very strange place now.
The meltdowns are something else.
On one smaller sub that participated in the blackout people were seriously accusing mods of rigging the votes to stay closed for longer. Of course nothing actually indicated that, and neither did they present any evidence, they just couldn't stand not getting their content.
A well deserved outcome. Companies need to realize that they are nothing without their customers/users. An undeserved arrogance can only lead to eventual downfall.
To be fair, 3% of traffic missing is not going to be their downfall. They managed to rid themselves of virtually all third party clients in one swoop and had to trade in only a fraction of their monthly engagement - they'll sell it as streamlining.
I was a heavy user before, for sure. I used to scroll Reddit for hours a day. I uninstalled my app when the blackouts started. If I do a google search where the answer is on reddit, i'll still look at that answer. But for the most part, I am gone. Seems like a lot of people are all bark no bite though.
If I do a google search where the answer is on reddit
This is what I'm missing the most, because I've learned to automatically add "reddit" to most of my searches, since I usually could find a better discussion there.
But now it's useless - if you need a product recommendation, it's filled with bots obviously schilling for whoever paid, fake reviews, and it's generally useless. And technical questions mostly lead to subreddits that were closed, and I have no idea what state are they in now - but I still don't want to give them traffic.
But what to do now? The internet is basically unusable by now. Everyone and now even AIs are writing blog posts or videos about things they barely understand, you have literaly thousands of AI generated pages about programming questions, some of them are outright wrong, and if you need something more complex than a single command - for example how to write a good video game AI architecture (especially this search term is FUCKED. I need to rewrite steerring, navigation and behaviors for a video game, but good luck searching for "video game AI" in the last few months...), most of the articles or tutorials are pretty shitty.
Every search term is filled with mediocre blog posts, usually copy-pasted between eachother. I literally don't know how to use the internet for deeply researching a topic anymore - everything is just barely scratching the surface in the most popularized way possible.
I guess I just have to start searching on scholar.google.com...
Don't know if this is of any help but here is a good video. It's about a video game ai concept I've not heard of before: https://youtu.be/9gf2MT-IOsg
Not enough to matter. Not even out of step with any other social media site lol. We’re doomed
I thought about this comment, and realized that somehow, I just don't care so much about what happens to Reddit anymore. Instead of worrying about what I left behind, I'm looking forward to what's ahead of us.
I think it's because even before the whole 3d-party-app drama, there already was this undefined feeling that Reddit's best days are behind it. Maybe it's the effect of ad money and monetization, or it's the inevitable trend towards low quality content that comes with mass adoption, probably it's both.
Whatever the cause, in most subreddits, the old Facebook-style rot had already set in. Once-cool subs now being an endless barrage of tired memes, bots farming karma, and people being assholes. The things I joined for years ago, the engaging discussion, random encounters with amazing experts, the cutting-edge internet anarchy, it's all already long gone.
When I opened the app (Baconreader in my case), I only did it out of habit, to then spendy time scrolling through an endless list of things that made me slightly go "heh".
So, maybe most people will stay on Reddit for now, and probably I will have to leave behind certain communities instead of finding direct replacements. But I see that as a good thing. As long as even just 2% of Reddit's users make it here, I'm excited it will grow into something much better than what I left behind.
How do they estimate?
On the one hand, this doesn't seem like a lot. But on the other, this is just for June. A lot of people left or drastically cut down their usage at the very end of June, and we're not seeing this reflected in the data yet.
Even so, no company wants to say they've lost 3% of their customers. With 1.7 billion total, that's still 51 million people. It's a notable loss, especially for a company trying to become profitable and have an IPO.
no company wants to say they’ve lost 3% of their customers
Reddit doesn't see users as customers.
They are the product. A number that you can sell to advertisers and shareholders.
I think this an overly simplistic way to look at the dynamic. Users are the primary customer, and they don't provide any direct revenue to the company. Their value is in attracting the secondary customers though, who directly pay the company to access the users. Bring a primary customer implies that the company still needs to treat you as a customer and at least not openly antagonize you. They can't take you for granted as a product. There is no secondary customer without you.
It's like bars that advertise free drinks for women on certain nights. The women aren't directly paying the bar, but the men who come to the bar because of them makes it a net profit. I'm sure there's other examples of this primary/secondary customer dynamic. Anything cheap for kids that sells expensive stuff to parents for instance.
overly simplistic way
It was hyperbolic of course. But really,
Users are the primary customer, and they don’t provide any direct revenue
How can someone who doesn't provide revenue be the primary customer of a profit oriented company? Ahead of others who actually do, like advertisers?
It might be better if the terms are swapped. I'm only calling them primary because they have to come first before the secondary, and they're the foundation for everything. There's probably a better way to term them.
Oh, I'm not denying that the users are the foundation for the business model but when Reddit makes business decisions, they first listen to those who pay them.
Looking at the pages for lemmy.ml, beehaw.org, lemmy.world, kbin.social, as well as lemm.ee paints an interesting, if expected, picture.
For one thing, lemmy.ml is categorized as "Games > Games - Other (In United States)" which made me scratch my head to the point of hurting my scalp. The rest are uncategorized (which is better than being miscategorized, imo).
Now, for the stats:
| Instance | Total Visits for June 2023 | % Change from May 2023 | Bounce Rate | Pages per Visit | Average Visit Duration | #1 Incoming Traffic Source (from social media) |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| reddit.com¹ | 1.7B | -3.36% | 37.98% | 6.21 | 8:24 | Youtube (52.48%) |
| lemmy.world | 3.5M | n/a² | 38.12% | 6.62 | 8:44 | Reddit (97.29%) |
| kbin.social | 2.9M | +5000% | 26.24% | 11.2 | 9:18 | Reddit (93.92%) |
| lemmy.ml | 1.5M | +1716% | 51.79% | 5.55 | 3:54 | Reddit (98.86%) |
| feddit.de | 791.7K | +5000% | 55.88% | 2.76 | 3:57 | Reddit (98.31%) |
| beehaw.org | 790.1K | +5000% | 35.48% | 4.50 | 5:44 | Reddit (96.24%) |
| lemmy.ca | 186.4K | +1615% | 69.14% | 2.45 | 1:05 | Reddit (100%) |
| lemm.ee | 167.5K | +5000% | 29.58% | 6.73 | 5:18 | Reddit (86.81%) |
reddit.com is included as a point of comparisonlemmy.world didn't exist yet in May 2023We can see that the larger instances are already performing well in comparison to reddit when it comes to "interaction" statistics. It's a surprise, however that kbin.social trounces everyone else it was compared to--even comparing favorably with lemmy.world in visit numbers. In comparison, lemmy.ml performed quite badly especially in bounce rate and average visit duration. Someone who's better equipped than me in analyzing these figures can perhaps do a better anaylsis, but from what I can see, we're not doing that bad here.
I've also added lemm.ee into the mix just for good measure (and perhaps as a proxy for smaller-ish instances), and it's doing quite good as well.
EDITS:
Lemmy.ca is +1615%
Added lemmy.ca into the table as well, because, damn, what a ride! I suppose given from the explanation I was given regarding lemmy.ml's figures, it wasn't able to cope well with the flood of incoming users, I suppose?
I think non English speaking instances like feddit.de are also not to be underestimated.