Just to say it, a job in the defence industry means you will not be drafted to the front line. If you can not leave Russia for some reason and want to avoid to fight, it is by far the best realistic option. So just imagine the personal shortages of companies outside the defence industry.
this post was submitted on 20 Aug 2024
126 points (96.3% liked)
Ukraine
8044 readers
515 users here now
News and discussion related to Ukraine
*Sympathy for enemy combatants in any form is prohibited.
*No content depicting extreme violence or gore.
Donate to support Ukraine's Defense
Donate to support Humanitarian Aid
founded 2 years ago
MODERATORS
It has been told about IT too, but last I've heard it required some legwork from the employer to enable your protection and needed to be properly verified if you get the notice about recruiting. Some were sueing recruitment centers after being sent to the frontlines even.
The best strategy is keeping a low profile and contact government\banks\services as few times as possible, prefering cash over cards, being unofficially employed in a small company that don't play politics (some big employers had rectuiting quotas to please the admin) while living in a place other than your official registration. And not going anywhere even if called in: first time it's just a fee, and there weren't much noise about someone getting it as long as they are out of rec. center, in educational center or in armed forces where it becomes a crime with a heavy punishment.
I think that MIC workers get paid a looot, but the problem is that they have a lot of overwork and stress with so much demand so they may leave for a more calm civil employer.
Wow, that's a very good point!
Sorta. Ukraine is getting longer range missiles and drones, and weapons factories are targets
From the article:
Defense enterprises currently need about 160,000 specialists
That's a lot of stuff that either doesn't get done, or is half-assed to keep the quota.
According to career consultant Galina Babkova, based on official data and calculations by independent media, 650,000 able-bodied men went to war in Ukraine.
That number caught my eye because it matched with the number of roughly 600.000 russian soldiers KIA or wounded (estimation to be taken with several gram of salt due to being pushed by Ukraine, see source: https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/547c8ce1-ace1-4ce2-b0c3-96eff2fa2028.jpeg?thumbnail=1500&format=webp ).
Whatever the exact numbers are: They're not going to recover from this dip in the population for a very long time.
They’re not going to recover from this dip in the population for a very long time.
They are never going to recover. Russia is going to continue cycling downwards until the country comes apart. In 20-30 years everything to the East of Perm will be lost. What Russia went through in the '90s is going to be the "Good Old Days" by 2050.
They stole children early on. Im pretty sure the invasion was with the thought it would be easy peasy and human capital was a resource they wanted to steal along with other resources.
In no way am I condoning Russian behaviour by the following mathematical statements. People are not numbers, but sometimes you have to look at numbers.
They stole upwards of a few thousand children from eastern Ukraine. They have lost hundreds of thousands to combat. That equation would only have worked for them if they had won in three days and moved through Ukraine unimpeded. And even then, only temporarily.
If you need to use conquest to prop up your economy, it usually means you're in a spiral where continuous conquest is required to keep feeding the machine. See also: Alexander.
Imagine driving the country of Stalin into the ground and longingly looking back at the folden period of the country as that time between the purge and nukes. You know, under Stalin. Those were the good times...
Russian workers are not needed since the Russian economy is booming!
Putin and his faithful tankies told us so a couple of months ago, so this is just fake media!
Russian economy is going towards ruin...
... but it's not nearly fast enough to have a substantial impact on the war in Ukraine. Russia is good to fight for another 2 or 3 years, maybe an additional year if they really push it. Can Ukraine do that? Not unless NATO seriously ramps up high tech weapon deliveries.
No, this is it. The military industry is one of the places Russia can not afford shortages. The fact that they have worker shortages, means they can not take enough workers from other industries. This is war, so producing weapons has priority. We also see wages and benefits for soldiers rising all the time. They probably have shortages in that too. Inflation is already high and the intresst rate is incredibly high too. We have seen some large blackouts already and winter is coming. At the same time Russian farmers have trouble finding workers, which drives up food prices. China is stopping payment from its banks with Russia, so imports from China will likely drop. All of that is going to drive up inflation. Inflation right now is offically at 9.1% in July. The impact of loss of payment with China is not part of that and winter will means higher energy demand, with Ukraine targeting energy infrastructure.
Make no mistake Russia is in an economic crisis. 9.1% inflation with 18% intrest rate is really a telling sign. It will get worse, but it is already bad.
That's not the point. The point is when will this effect the war? Significantly. Enough to matter to Ukraine.
If you want some timelines, summer 2025 is where I expect Russia to run out of steam. That's when they will have gone through pretty much all USSR equipment they had and they are not producing nearly enough to keep up with the current rate of attrition. It will also be the 4th year of war, so also the 4th year of sanctions. Remember that when those sanctions were put into place, they immediately said it would take time before they started to really hurt. Well, they are hurting in a significant way already and the noose is only getting tighter. I think they might just make it to the end of 2025, but I don't see them keeping up the war into 2026 unless China steps in and starts supplying military aid.
There are a lot of aspects to this war, but I think the combination of running out of money, people and military hardware has to lead to some serious reconsideration of their approach.
But the regime won't survive not winning the war, so we'll see. Just don't expect that whomever replaces Putin will be less dangerous. They are more likely to be truly extreme, rather than only cynically so.
We have had many predictions like that before. I believed in some and I take myself to be quite conservative in these estimations. What I saw is that none of them actually happen as an event, but very gradually. The best example is artillery shells. Media has predicted that Russia will run out of shells many times, but it doesn't happen of course, because thats not how the world works. They just reduce consumption. This reduction was not big enough for any media to even report.
What im trying to say is that there is very likely not going to be an event when Russia cracks. As sanctions are applied, workarounds are found. They have enough people by sheer numbers to at least defend the front for many years to come.
You mean lower weapons production, due to lacking workers? Problems with the electricity grid, shutting down factories and transport to the front. China refusing to transfer payments making it much harder to buy weapon parts. Economic problems causing some protests, which requires armed men to put down. Hence fewer soldiers to the front line.
It already matters to Ukraine.
Not significantly. For now Russia made sufficient changes to endure and project an appearance of stability.
The thing is that Russia isn't on track of winning the war, at all, so fighting for 2-3 years more will just be bad for Ukraine but not detrimental to their survival.
It will for Russia though and that is if it isn't already too late for them.