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0, I buy music to support the artist. The value is giving back to a musician so they can create more.
That's a big motivation for me, too, but I'd say it's about equally that I want archival of the best stuff for when rights holders pull their catalogs from the services I stream. I used to think that was mainly for the more obscure stuff, like local bands' early albums that I can barely find anymore, but recently I've noticed albums missing from main services (Tidal and Spotify, in my case) for bigger acts, too.
Depends on what you're buying IMO. If you're "buying" it in the sense of buying license to listen to it like with DRM like iTunes, nothing could make that worth it IMO. But if I'm buying physical media of the music itself (eg. Vinyl) then I'm usually willing to pay whatever the market price is for that album.
iTunes is DRM free, you can easily move the MP3 files to any device (even ones that have never had iCloud access).
I don't buy physical as I would wear it out playing the only track I would want to listen to on the album (as often it's only 1-2 songs I am actually interested in.
So why not just pirate it? When you buy digital music, only a miniscule fraction actually goes to the artist.
I always hate these questions (is X worth it?) because you're asking the Internet to give you an answer to a subjective question. If you want to sort out the answer for yourself it comes down to how much money you can afford to spend on entertainment and whether you think £1 of that amount for a song is worth it.
If you're rich and £1 doesn't matter in slightest and you like the song then it's "worth it." If you're poor and you have £20/wk to spend entertaining yourself then maybe not. Anyway who knows, if you think the song is worth the price then go for it.
Also, just to throw this out there, there are an awful lot of ways to listen to music on the Internet that won't cost you anything. You could always use one of those then later go back and buy music that's particularly meaningful to you. Remember that streaming music pays the actual artists almost nothing, go buy physical media (or better yet go to one of their shows and buy merch) if you want your favorite artists to actually see any money.
So the reason I purchase songs digitally is a few reasons;
These are all really good reasons to purchase digital media, but the comment above still has a great point that this is super subjective and we can't answer for you. In the end, I echo their sentiment that "if you think the song is worth the price then go for it".
Related, with so many free ways to listen to music, by the time I'm spending money on music I've already decided it's worth it. Maybe I've listened to it a ton. Maybe the lyrics speak to me. Maybe it's just a particularly well composed piece of music. Either way, I've made the valuation of it being worth it before I spend the money.
By the time I actually buy a song, I've been listening to it repeatedly at least 10 to 20 times. At that point I'm buying it to put in my offline library and the cost is worth it immediately. The £1 per song price hasn't changed in a very long time. My music taste is very narrow, so I rarely find songs I like anyway. My entire music library amassed over my lifetime is 780 tracks currently (after removing some I lost interest in previously). So I definitely get my money's with out of my music.
If I get to keep the music in mp3, flac, or some other file format? Even a single play is worth it
Why not listen first and then decide if it's worth buying? Go listen to the songs for free on YouTube or other means. Then if you like it, buy it for any price you feel is fair. I do most of my music shopping on Bandcamp, you can listen to the songs there before buying. For older albums it isn't uncommon the artists let you name your own price.
I grew up in casette and CD era, so I use that for comparison. It's a bit of a stretch, but it works for me:
An album or cassette had roughly 10-20 songs and cost (in today's inflation) roughly £5. Not all songs were bangers so I round it all to £0.5 per song.
How many listens to be "worth it" I think is how much listen I would get out of it before I would happily buy a new one if it wore out or broke. So at least 50.
At price of £0.99, I think a song is worth it at 100 listens.
Though songs bought to support indie artists are worth it immediately. :)
At least 30 years.
That iTunes first purchase should be paying off in about 9 years. You're still listening to t.a.T.u, right?
Off course! Though I bought the CD and ripped it. Dangerous and Moving was a great album.
I usually do some goofy math like cost / uses. The first time I used a $300 washing machine I considered that a $300+ load of laundry, next time we're down to $150, and so on.
For a song I'd probably at least want a few dozen plays out of it for $1, although nowadays everyone just subscribes and streams.
I personally avoid streaming services as I know some months I rather just listen to podcasts or just not listen to music at all. This is why I'm starting a digital library of songs that I purchase. But yeah I guess getting a song to less than 0.01 per play would be a good goal to see the value in the purchase.
I genuinely think that you should listen it as many times until you can hum or mentally sing along with it.. if this makes any sense. Like if you are able to associate the song's title a melody then it's "worth it". For me(I'm not even kidding), this is probably after playing it 4-5 times on repeat.
I know i've got a few songs that I've got over 10 listens to, and I think a good goal for each track might be 1 play per pence that I spent on it, so a £0.99 song would be 99 plays.
I am like you. The way I listen to music is not the conventional way in which someone has a playlist and goes with it for a while, then add new music, etc... I am autistic too, and my music routine generally implies having a song or two on repeat for the day because they are a form of stimming for me. So I don't use streaming services if not for trying new music before seeing if I want that song.
My rule is that if I find a song I can be comfortable with to listen to it for a while hour on repeat and I still like it, I'll buy it. If that happens, that song is probably going to be my next stimming song for days or even weeks, meaning I'll listen to it hundreds or thousands of times. If that's the case, I'll buy it.
On some rare instances, I find an artist that I really like because they have more than one song that helps me and then I'll buy their album just to show support to what they are doing.
I also can't go to shows because they are a nightmare to my brain and its lack of sensory overload control.
my music routine generally implies having a song or two on repeat for the day because they are a form of stimming for me
I'm not on spectrum on anything (anything diagnosed, anyway) but your comment inspired me to try and have a favorite tune on repeat for several hours, just to see what effect it would have on my ability to focus & anxiety, both of which are things I tend to struggle (although in my case it's more related to insomnia).
Interesting experience, nicer than I would expect. Normally my music routine is to try and keep things diverse, but I do tend to get distracted by the need to choose what's next (and radios can have own problems, alghough soma.fm is awesome.) This sort of removed the issue.
I do wonder how I will feel like when I turn it off, then in dreams, and then tomorrow. 😁
(It's '87' by Janus Rasmussen, by the way, and even after hours I'm still loving it!).
It’s ‘87’ by Janus Rasmussen, by the way
Also by the way, I got the album and it was the most I spent per minute of track ever (and my collection is hundreds of albums) -- the album was 18 EUR (plus tax!), but then again, Icelandic economy, and I love to support artists, and I do love that song.
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I have a $10/hour entertainment budget. If a movie ticket is $15 and I get 1.5 hours of entertainment then it was a good purchase. if I pick up a game for $60 then I expect to get at least 6 hours of fun from it.
Using this measure I've decided books provide some of the highest value entertainment and fancy restaurants some of the lowest value entertainment.
But that's just me.
That means the answer to the question would be 2? After two plays you have about 6 minutes of entertainment which are worth $1.
Btw I do the same entertainment budget calculations (as well as "what is my free time worth")
So long as you enjoyed all 6 minutes. A full album might offer more long term value.
$10/hour entertainment budget
So... worst case you spend $87,600 per year? (assuming you want to be entertained during sleep as well..)
Haha I wish I could manage 365 days of leisure time.
I could be super wrong, but I don't think people who purchase music think about the value of those songs in that way anymore. Some people buy songs for the physical display of the package, the potentially higher quality playback, to avoid music from disappearing due to copyright or label issues, to support an artist since streaming is like fractions of a penny, for offline listening which isn't tied to a subscription feature, just for collections sake, for more emotional reasons - physically connecting with a song/album, to justify their recent impulse record player purchase, etc. Sometimes people just want to spend money (retail therapy), so they'll buy an album (digital or physical), never open it, and just keep streaming.
That is fair enough, I purchase Digitally as it's cheaper (as not really interested in a full album) and the higher quality of music does help a bit as it means I can hear it on better quality kit and it still sounds amazing. Streaming isn't really a thing I enjoy as some months I may not want a new song or even want to listen to music, So i'm triyng to work out what amount of plays makes sense that you've 'got worth' out of it. I know it's a little subjective but I wonder how much 99p is worth
I have lots of music which I got basically for free, and a lots of music for which I paid.
My general attitude towards music is that I'm in it to explore, learn and enjoy the indescribable human connection that I get through, and only through listening to someone's little "message in a bottle". Doing this for many years (I'm 44 so over 30 years now) I've learned that training my brain on multiple styles and genres, the connection can always get deeper and more rich.
So I would not be able to ever say a purchase was not worth it, because I would always assume such decision to be rushed. I had too many experiences when I listened to something, didn't quite like it, but later I somehow "grew into" it, and then I learned to love it for years and years.
Different music ends up playing different roles in my life. Some albums end up teaching me a genre or a style, some end up acting like a gateway drug, some end up as a "stand in" for whole genre. Some end up as "holy relics" of who I was, and are re-visited from time to time to see whether I've changed and how. Some end up on a shelf and get re-discovered, some end up on a shelf forever.
(That "stand in" part is kinda tongue-in-cheek, but it sometimes almost works; eg. I would never set out to get a Dub album, but Dub Guerilla is one of the 100 best things I've ever heard, and it's just so darn satisfying that it satisfies all and any of my Dub needs.)
Sometimes my brain can be just really petty about things, like completely disregarding an album because of a track or a section which I feel is a mistake. Sometimes I just know I will need much more time, sometimes I feel certain things might remain hard to get into maybe forever.
Don't get me wrong, somewhere among those piles, there are really things that I won't ever care to pick up, and perhaps would not purchase them again, but it almost never has much to do with number of listens. It might be things that I just got with bad expectation (ie. not listening upfront) or things that I enjoyed because of content (eg. lyrics) but I have changed and moved on.
Other times music is best experienced live, for some bands the "spirit" simply cannot be tamed, let alone reproduced. Sometimes I get album from band directly after a show and then end up never feeling it again from the CD, but then again, I would say it was not worth it, because it's still a great way to "tip" the artist, and sometimes it will just work out.
(A bit more related to the OP: Incidentally, just today I broke my all-time record by spending about 20 EUR for Vín by Janus Rasmussen, and for reasons completely unrelated to OP and the price (but related to a sub-thread) I also did something I would never do normally--put one of the tracks on repeat for several hours. That's not to brag about money--it's just funny how it ended up accidentally as "$ per listen" experiment, although )
The question isn't how many play, but how many song does your plbylist have.
If you pay Spotify/deezer 9.99 a month this is phe price of 10 song a month. After 5 years it's a 600 songs play list.
If your plbylist aren't that big, it's a loss, if your playlists are bigger, it's a win
Some months I listen to no music at all, as other months it's not normally more than a few songs I listen to on repeat, obviously my playlists grow but not at 10 songs a month all year around. Also music streaming services are more closer to 14.99 in my country than 9.99
You actually buy music? Lol 🏴☠️
I purchase music to get the highest quality possible, pay towards the artists I enjoy listening to & so I don't pay for streaming services such as Spotify as they are bad models especially when I don't want to listen to music one month.
I use modded Spotify to get all the premium features free and can just download flacs directly from it
You don't "buy" music. You buy a license to listen to that music for as long as the license issuer still owns that particular song.
So never. Pirating music is the only path to ownership.
Some services do still offer DRM free music file downloads. So you can still buy music
Homie is literally talking about buying from Apple music. Take your high horse and blow it
no
Op is talking about How licensing works. Not apple.
You don't "buy" music. You buy a license to listen to that music for as long as the license issuer still owns that particular song.
Unless dealing with the artist or studio directly the license issuer also won't "own" the song but rather have a license to sell and distribute the title.