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While China has warned the West against 'decoupling', the country’s censorship system is designed for the purpose of isolation, report says (globalvoices.org)

submitted 2 months ago by 0x815 to c/technology@lemmy.world

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When the US House of Representatives passed the legislation that would force ByteDance to sell TikTok, a popular video app, to an American company or face being banned in the US, citing national security concerns, the Chinese government criticized the move as “an act of bullying.” Yet, ironically, TikTok is also unavailable in China, and it is not an isolated case. For example, Alibaba’s popular messaging platform, Ding Talk, is also unavailable in China, and its local version is called Ding Ding.
A recent research report on Apple censorship in China, “Isolation by Design,” conducted by the App Censorship project under GreatFire, a censorship monitor group based in China, indicates that more than 60 percent of the world’s top 100 apps in China Apple App stores are either unavailable or inaccessible in China. These apps include Google Maps, YouTube, Instagram, WhatsApp, Telegram, Facebook, Messenger and Twitter.
While China has warned the West against economic decoupling, the country’s censorship system is designed for the purpose of isolation, as highlighted by the GreatFire research team.

Aside from the game sector, the App Censorship research team has identified eight sensitive categories from the list of apps banned by Apple in China:

1. Virtual private network – VPN: 240 unavailable apps including Lantern VPN, ProtonVPN, ExpressVPN, Nord VPN.

2. Privacy & Digital Security: 29 unavailable apps including Signal, ProtonMail, DuckDuckGo.

3. LGBTQ+ & Dating: 67 unavailable apps, including Hinge, Adam4Adam, weBelong, and Grindr.

4. News, Media & Information: 170 unavailable apps, including NYTimes, BBC News, and Reuters.

5. Social Media & Communication: 96 unavailable apps, including Skype, LinkedIn, Viber, Damus, and Line.

6. Tibet & Buddhism: 41 unavailable apps, including Himalaya Lib, MonlamGrandTibetanDictionary.

7. Uyghur: 72 unavailable apps, including RFA Uyghur, Hayatnuri, Awazliq Kitap, and UYGHUR MAN.

8. Religion: 144 unavailable apps, including the Bible App by Olive Tree, Quran Majeed, TORAH, JW Library.

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[–] xep@fedia.io 39 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

We know. The entire goal of their internet policy is to control exactly what their population can access, which means they have an isolated network, by any means necessary.

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 37 points 2 months ago

It's like crazy ex syndrome. They block you, but if you block them back in reciprocating fashion now your the bad person.

[–] 0x0@programming.dev 16 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Virtual private network – VPN: 240 unavailable apps including Lantern VPN, ProtonVPN, ExpressVPN, Nord VPN.

When assessing a VPN, using one that's blocked in China seems to be a safe item to check.

[–] cheese_greater@lemmy.world 10 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Wouldn't it make sense for them to buy out a couple and still offer it outside of China as a honeypot? Westerners be like "China banned? Sign me up" and add it to their banned list?

Meanwhile China be like

"We know you not like ricecakes and logged VPN"

🫸ô🫷

[–] WraithGear@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Probably, but any thought that VPNs keep you anonymous to anyone other then script kiddies and minor companies is fool hardy

[–] cheese_greater@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Is there a more comprehensive overview of this or can you expand on if not using a VPN is better?

Something, something, fingerprinting, logging in to identifiable services etc?

[–] WraithGear@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago

It’s more of recognition that the internet is not the Wild West it used to be. Your anonymity is dependent on how much you are worth to track, and that value shrinks every day. If you want to buy cheaper video games, or watch geo locked Netflix content you are fine… for now. But the US government has been offering VPNs for people wanting to be anonymous for a wile now. So its not extreme for china to do it too.

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 4 points 2 months ago

The person your talking with is letting perfect be the enemy of good.

https://www.privacyguides.org/en/basics/vpn-overview/

This is a really good review about the actual tradeoffs involved.

[–] callmepk@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

Most of the time those VPNs banned are still not effective to get pass GFW. A lot of people would have to buy special VPN service using protocols like Shadowsocks/ShadowsocksR/Trojan/Vmess/Vless with using specific softwares like shadowrocket or Surge or Clash or Quantumult to bypass the GFW.

[–] General_Effort@lemmy.world 15 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Borders in cyberspace is the future. There are increased efforts to regulate the internet everywhere. Think copyright, age verification, the GDPR, or even anti-CSAM laws. It's all about making sure that information is only available to people who are permitted to access it. China is really leading the way here.

We do not agree with China's regulations, but that only means that we need border controls. Data must be checked for regulatory compliance with local laws.

[–] 0x815 12 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The 'cyberspace' is designed to be decentralized, exactly the opposite of what you describe. China is trying to 'lead the way' into an Orwellian dystopia, and that's among the least things we need.

[–] General_Effort@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago

I just described what's going on. The world outside of China or Russia is going slower but the direction is the same.

[–] magic_smoke@links.hackliberty.org 7 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

What an awful and terrifying thought.

At least it would be if internet regulation was practically enforceable for anyone other than commercial businesses operating out in the open.

[–] General_Effort@lemmy.world -1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

it would be if internet regulation was practically enforceable for anyone other than commercial businesses operating out in the open.

Well, then I guess we just have to call for more government enforcement.

In the EU, there is certainly more government pressure, instead of just lawsuits between big (or small) players.

[–] magic_smoke@links.hackliberty.org 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The only way to really do that would be to essentially make it impossible to have easy, private, secure, and anonymous access to the internet and freedom respecting computing.

Those things are, as far as I'm concerned, inalienable human rights.

If that's your goal please never touch any regulation involving the internet ever.

[–] General_Effort@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Hey, I'm just saying how it's going. Look at, say, threads here about deepfakes. See all the calls for laws and government action. How can that be enforced?

[–] magic_smoke@links.hackliberty.org 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It can't. Simply put. I mean it's not even a question of whether we should, its you're fucking not going to.

I have a raid array in my basement containing literally terabytes of illegally pirated media. Most people have at least consumed one or two pirated pieces of media.

How's the enforcement for those illegal files going?

[–] General_Effort@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It's steady pressure and it's only in one direction. Some countries resist more than others. I'm guessing you are not in the EU, because if so, you'd be aware of the "chat control" push.

Even so, it's not the days of Napster anymore. Think about hardware DRM. It stops no one but you, too, paid to have it developed and built into your devices. Think about Content ID. That's not going away. It's only going to be expanded. That frog will be boiled.

Recently, intellectual property has been reframed as being about "consensual use of data". I think this is proving to be very effective. It's no longer "piracy" or "theft", it's a violation of "consent". The deepfake issue creates a direct link to sexual aggression. One bill in the US, that ostensibly targets deepfakes, would apply to any movie with a sex scene; making sharing it a federal felony.

[–] magic_smoke@links.hackliberty.org 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

And has anyone who's actually written any of those laws used a computer for more than basic day-to-day office/home tasks?

I'd love to see how they plan on enforcing that. What are they gonna do, send in a fucking swat team to take anything that doesn't have hardware level DRM?

I can't imagine we'll get to a world where the only chips that don't have shit like that are horribly obsolete. Though I could totally see one in which all high-end chipsets do unfortunately.

This is why I hope RISC-V takes off. The more we can free our hardware/software the better.

[–] General_Effort@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

What are they gonna do, send in a fucking swat team to take anything that doesn’t have hardware level DRM?

In a future where this is established, wouldn't you expect non-compliant hardware to be treated just as drugs or machine guns are treated now?

I think that's hardly an immediate worry, though. Various services already scan for illegal content or suspicious activity. It wouldn't take much to get ISPs to snitch on their customers.

[–] magic_smoke@links.hackliberty.org 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Unix Surrealist Tech Mage Webcomics are not supposed to be a documentary lol.

I think that's hardly an immediate worry, though. Various services already scan for illegal content or suspicious activity. It wouldn't take much to get ISPs to snitch on their customers.

Stop using proprietary platforms and services, start bouncing your traffic off of foreign VPNs.

The internet was literally built to tear down borders, not help enforce them. Technologists will find a way around the red tape set up by bitter old men in suits.

[–] schnurrito@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 2 months ago

https://www.eff.org/cyberspace-independence becomes more relevant every year somehow