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The first prisoners of the regular troops, who were taken by the army to stabilize the situation in the KuPR.

Several hours passed between their arrival and capture

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[–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 41 points 1 month ago (1 children)

We have purposely trained them wrong, as a joke

[–] niktemadur@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

As a goodwill gesture, comrade.

[–] sunzu@kbin.run 39 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Damn looks like Russia really did caught on the back foot here.

Funny how things work out when people fight back against a bully.

[–] paddirn@lemmy.world 25 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Part of it was the Ukrainians have been more concerned with defending/taking back their own territory, then they were probably also denied the option to attack inside of Russia itself by their allies supplying them arms. So Russia has probably been getting complacent thinking that the fighting would only ever be contained within Ukraine itself and wasn’t fortifying their border as much as they should’ve. Something changed and the gloves are off now, but it’s likely due to Ukraine being given permission to attack within Russia itself.

[–] thepreciousboar@lemm.ee 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Apparrently the kursk region has been heavily fortified since the very beginning of the war. So either are not as effective in building defense, or they sent all the defending troopa to be massacred where ukraine was attacking before (russian controlled territories)

[–] harcesz@szmer.info 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

So either are not as effective in building defense

The ones in Zaporozia suggest differently. So more likely it's about sending pretty much all experienced units to the slaughterhouse.

[–] paddirn@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I keep wondering when other countries that border Russia are going to start taking advantage of Russia’s weakness. Granted there’s nukes to take into account, they still have a size-able military, and this may only be temporary, but Russia is looking pretty weak at the moment.

[–] harcesz@szmer.info 1 points 1 month ago

It'd be a shame if some Finlandisation happened to St. Petersburg or as I prefer to call it Pietari. Or Kuril islands and Královec held their referendums... ;]

[–] Karyoplasma@discuss.tchncs.de 23 points 1 month ago (3 children)

I don't think Putin anticipated a counter-offensive. Wasn't the initial plan to take Kiev in 2 weeks?

[–] TacticsConsort@yiffit.net 27 points 1 month ago

3 days, actually. Perhaps that was just a slight translation error and they actually meant 3 decades?

[–] ticho@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago

That was over two years ago. Surely even a mediocre tactician would anticipate something like this happening eventually.

My guess is that Russia simply does not have the means to effectively defend all of its border anymore, and they've been praying that the Ukraine's western benefactors will keep them "on the leash" for as long as possible.

[–] wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The original plan was for the Ukraine to surrender in two weeks. It has now been how long?

I think the push back from NATO and fear of escalation stopped Ukraine from during it earlier. Putin was threatening the use of nukes since he hasn't done it yet; he looks like he is full of shit.

[–] The_v@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

It was never a serious threat.

Putin using a nuke = Russia is absolutely destroyed and his power is at an end. It's not a question. It's the one line that all the other nuclear powers agree on. Using them has exactly one outcome for Russia and it is not pretty.

Putin only cares about holding onto power and his own self-aggrandizement. Unless he is completely backed into a corner and risks losing his control, he is highly unlikely to ever use a nuclear weapon. It's the same thing with North Korea.

Threatening to use it to scare other people in a power play = Hell yeah, Putin is in 100% on board.

[–] HubertManne@moist.catsweat.com 24 points 1 month ago (1 children)

im betting tons of troops are volunteering to go to kursk. oh no. I got captured. im going to be seperated from my beloved mother russia. oh no. so sad.

[–] Xanxia@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

By now they should know they will just be sent back as exchange for Ukrainian prisoners. There is no escape.

[–] indomara@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

I thought any POWs that wish to stay in Ukraine are given the choice?

[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Man, removing that duct tape must hurt!

[–] Blumpkinhead@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago (1 children)

"Why do none of our prisoners have eyebrows?"

[–] Agent641@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago
[–] The_Che_Banana@beehaw.org 12 points 1 month ago

Welcome to the party, lads

[–] TwinkleToes@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 month ago

Russia’s traditional war fighting MO has been “keep dying and surrendering in huge numbers until something major happens”.

Crimean War, Russo Japanese War, WW1, Polish-Soviet war, Winter War, WW2, Afghanistan, Chechnya 1.

If not for Lend/Lease giving Russia food, oil, guns, vehicles, bullets, boots and clothing, they would have been rolled back to middle Siberia. For all their hypermacho chest thumping, they’re shit at war.

[–] Frostbeard@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

If you call them prisoners of war, and accept them as such this might be a breach of the Geneva convention if they are identifiable. Then again it might not be regular Ukrainian army taking these pictures, but that opened up a whole new set of questions and possible breaches.

I wholeheartedly support Ukraina in their fight against Russia, but still thing that Ukraina should adhere to the Geneva convention.

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

The "no parading prisoners" clause doesn't really apply to these situations. Or, well, at least it's debatable.

The provision was added to disallow what had been common in WWI and WWII, and that is parading prisoners through streets while crowds cheered on. Photography existed back then and the convention very much does not say "you can't have pictures in newspapers". Should there be some privacy considerations? I'd say yes, but we also shouldn't overdo it. After all filming soldiers while they're fighting is legal, why would everything suddenly change completely once they're captured?