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[–] limelight79@lemm.ee 43 points 2 months ago (11 children)

Even Go Fund Me came out and said, uh, wait, funding health care isn't what we really intended for the platform.

I recall one of the coaches of a major league baseball team had some major illness and had set up a GoFundMe for it...the team decided to cover it, fortunately, but...come on.

I don't know how anyone can seriously claim there's nothing wrong with our system, but they do.

One guy said, in earnest, that it's a good thing that our medical system is so expensive - because that means it's a good system. (This was in response to me saying that I think our technology and care are pretty good; it's how we pay for it that's the main issue.)

How do you even respond to that? I just ignored him. Does he think Europe has cut-rate health care? Canada?

[–] Zink@programming.dev 22 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Does he think Europe has cut-rate health care? Canada?

Assuming we’re talking about one of my fellow Americans? Yes. He’s been conditioned to think that.

[–] limelight79@lemm.ee 8 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, you're probably right. I was dumbfounded.

[–] Zink@programming.dev 7 points 2 months ago (2 children)

It’s amazing how the powers that be have gotten our culture to the point that so many people give zero shits about their fellow humans. People living paycheck to paycheck on median incomes still have the “fuck you; got mine” attitude.

[–] limelight79@lemm.ee 10 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The worst part is that many of these people would help you if you needed it - if you were, say, in a car crash, most of these people probably would help you out. But...for some reason...extending that help to a more general sense just causes them to start frothing at the mouth.

I ride bicycles, and when I ride on Sunday mornings, I'm always amused by the thought that some drivers are probably on their way to or from church when they decide to pass me dangerously close, just for fun or to teach me a lesson or whatever the hell their justification is.

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[–] chakan2@lemmy.world 10 points 2 months ago (1 children)

This was in response to me saying that I think our technology and care are pretty good

The kicker to all this...it's not. Our healthcare is absolute ass compared to the rest of the world. The only thing we're ahead on right now is erection pill and weight loss drugs.

If you end up with cancer or a moderately complex injury, you're fucked. Good luck on that lead time to see a specialist.

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[–] Zink@programming.dev 41 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Off the top of my head, these are the kinds of things my conservative family members or distant acquaintances would say and agree with:

What if somebody else gets more than me?

What if somebody who doesn’t “deserve” benefits gets them?

Why should I give a shit or have to pay for other people? (Unaware of how insurance itself works)

The economyyyyy!

[–] medusa@sh.itjust.works 39 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Friend of mine became extremely sick. Doctors couldn't figure out what was wrong, but his life became pain and insomnia. After many torturous years, he was tired of being bedridden and miserable. He couldn't end it; his wife would lose her health insurance through his employer. So he walked off into the woods.

He's been legally missing for a few years now. He made sure to bring his ID with him, in case he is found one day.

That's the American healthcare system.

Why do we still live here: if we could leave, we would. We've been trying.

[–] troglodytis@lemmy.world 23 points 2 months ago (3 children)

I have no idea how this keeps her insured. In most of America, after 1 year of medical leave your job can be terminated.

[–] bomibantai@lemmy.world 16 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I truly believe the parent comment is straight up lying lmao, no job is going to keep you employed for more than a few days without an explanation, and insurance benefits end the month the employer terminates you.

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[–] werefreeatlast@lemmy.world 14 points 2 months ago

Ma'am, we looked at the bones and he passed away within a month. We're afraid you'll have to pay for that hip replacement in full, and, here, we kept your cancer boob, well need repayment for chopping it off...and the wisdom tooth.

Mommy, when I grow up, I want to be the guy who figures out when people died to cancel their families insurance postumably!

[–] Potatisen@lemmy.world 29 points 2 months ago (19 children)

Americans surely must understand by now that they're only seen as consumers, statistics, a unit from which money can be extracted. They're not seen and treated as humans.

Americans who lived abroad, what do you think about this?

[–] BubbleMonkey@slrpnk.net 13 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (4 children)

I haven’t lived abroad but I’m a disabled vet and thus get social healthcare..

And it’s fucking horrifying what my countrymen/women don’t get. I get the European experience (less than, let’s be real.. I was gunna say more or less but it’s less…) and my comrades in arms (and just my comrades?) don’t because of technicalities? My brethren who choose not to support business get screwed? Fuck that we should all benefit.

To be clear, health should be a human right, housing should be a human right, food should be under health as a human right but let’s be serious it should be a separate human right so everyone has to acknowledge it. (thanks America for needing that to be spelled out…)

[–] pearsaltchocolatebar@discuss.online 7 points 2 months ago (7 children)

Somewhere between just 18-25% of veterans get the benefits they're entitled to, and the VA wants to keep it that way.

It's fucking disgusting

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[–] _core@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 months ago

America went from chattel slavery to chattel citizenry, we are nothing but a resource to be exploited.

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[–] DavidDoesLemmy@aussie.zone 17 points 2 months ago (14 children)

Why would anyone live there? Let alone believe it's the best country in the world

[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 14 points 2 months ago

As others have said, I just want to +1 that too, immigration laws suck globally.

America may be the capitol of greed, but just about every other country worth moving to has monetary and educational requirements that most of us don't meet. We're locked into this shit hole.

[–] Quexotic@sh.itjust.works 11 points 2 months ago

No one else will have us. Immigration laws are very difficult to navigate for almost every country. We've looked.

[–] SuddenDownpour@sh.itjust.works 9 points 2 months ago

Why would anyone live there?

Migrating to a better place is actually not that easy, unless you have a great education.

[–] normalexit@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago

Some friends of mine recently moved to Europe from the US. They are happy with the decision, but it was a huge strain on their family to make the move.

They had to secure jobs, a place to live, and figure out what to do with their pets. On top of that they have to learn a new language, get their kids enrolled in school, and continue to live their lives. It's possible but daunting, and most people can't do it because of family.

[–] Psythik@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago (4 children)

What I don't understand is why my neighbors here in the US stress over medical debt when you can simply not pay it. It won't even impact your credit score anymore. Just ignore the debt and move on with your life. I've been doing this for decades.

[–] skulblaka@sh.itjust.works 12 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Most people don't know this is an option. Most people who do know and exercise this as an option will be targeted for harassment by bill collectors for the rest of their life.

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[–] fossilesque@mander.xyz 15 points 2 months ago (2 children)

There's a certain irony between people having insurance who also need a gofundme... It begs the question, what exactly is the purpose of the insurance?

[–] Facebones@reddthat.com 16 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (7 children)

To take your money then say no when you need healthcare.

Basically, everything is priced arbitrarily high to a comical degree because of insurance so you "need" insurance companies to "negotiate" prices (which are already set for them, there's no actual negotiations - just the goofy "retail" price and the still exploitative "insurance" price) and then if its covered the insurance pays a fraction of THAT (closer to a "normal" price) and its considered settled.

So, even if your insurance won't cover it, you need them so you get the exploitative price instead of the comical price from the provider. There's no way to pay the "normal" price unless you're an insurance company.

[–] spizzat2@lemm.ee 7 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

There was a period of a few years where I did not have insurance. I'm a pretty healthy person, so I figured the risk was acceptable. The few times I did need to go to the doctor, when I told them I did not have insurance and would be paying out of pocket, they adjusted the prices for me automatically.

I thought it was ridiculous, even then, but I wasn't going to complain about getting a reasonable price, obviously.

[–] Krauerking@lemy.lol 7 points 2 months ago

Oh yeah, as someone that did the same thing it's insane that you can actually just negotiate your own price and it doesn't actually take much effort.

But if you already have insurance and it's bad you will pay more. Anything to get more money for a middle position not doing anything other than scrape money from everyone for only themselves.

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[–] uis@lemm.ee 8 points 2 months ago

To insure profits of shareholders

[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 13 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Sparing loved ones of financial hardship is one of the noblest reasons to die. What a fucked up sentence.

[–] ZC3rr0r@lemmy.ca 8 points 2 months ago

The horror is in the fact that the system forces these kinds of choices on people. Any system that forces people to consider suicide to avoid bankrupting their loved ones due to medical cost is barbaric.

[–] spittingimage@lemmy.world 12 points 2 months ago

The US healthcare system is a hostage situation.

[–] PalmTreeIsBestTree@lemmy.world 12 points 2 months ago (2 children)

My father told me he would retire himself if he ever had to go to a nursing home

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[–] Zink@programming.dev 12 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Everybody in this country needs to lift themselves up by the bootstraps and do what I did: have a chronic disease that is so ridiculously expensive to treat that the pharma company pays your deductible and out of pocket max for you so that you’ll stay on it. Then you get actual coverage for the rest of the year!

I’m a software engineer and my health insurance pays out significantly more than my gross pay every year. U-S-A!

[–] brenstar@midwest.social 8 points 2 months ago

I fell into this situation a couple years ago and I’m going to ride it as long as I can. The whole system of savings cards is so convoluted that it’s no surprise these kind of loopholes happen.

[–] Theharpyeagle@lemmy.world 10 points 2 months ago

My roommate lost his job and his insurance (which both he and his husband rely on) with it. Coverage under COBRA would cost $700 a month, which he's actually considering paying since they at least hit their deductible. Otherwise the marketplace plans are all about as expensive and/or have an $18k deductible (yes really) before they cover even part of the cost.

Currently trying to get approved for Medicaid, but it's difficult since he has income for this year on paper.

[–] edgemaster72@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago (5 children)

We're not lacking in "system", that's part of what we're overpaying so much for. It's the "care" part that's lacking.

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[–] PunnyName@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago (4 children)

US healthcare is extortion.

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[–] breg@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 months ago

Fucking hell, this is brutal

[–] Got_Bent@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago

I've already had this talk with my daughter. I'm not presently ill or anything, but I see this as the new American version of estate planning.

Somehow, I've managed to build up a few meager assets to leave to my daughter and I'll be damned if I let American healthcare take it all.

(And please refrain from bringing up misinformed statements on estate tax. I'm a tax accountant. I'm more astute on that stuff than most of the population, and my little pile of shiny trinkets is well below any threshold for any of that to kick in)

[–] troglodytis@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago (6 children)

This is my plan when a major illness rears its head.

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[–] Etterra@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It's designed that way and I hate it.

[–] werefreeatlast@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago

That's my exit plan too. Once my joints only allow me to pull a pin, I'm going to eBay to find me a nice unused WW2 grenade or maybe a tank mine.

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