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Hyprland is an open source Wayland compositor based on wlroots, a project I started back in 2017 to make it easier to build good Wayland compositors. It’s a project which is loved by its users for its emphasis on customization and “eye candy” – beautiful graphics and animations, each configuration tailored to the unique look and feel imagined by the user who creates it. It’s a very exciting project!

Unfortunately, the effect is spoilt by an incredibly toxic and hateful community. I cannot recommend Hyprland to anyone who is not prepared to steer well clear of its community spaces. Imagine a high school boys' locker room come to life on Discord and GitHub and you’ll get an idea of what it’s like.

I empathise with Vaxry. I remember being young, smart, productive… and mean. I did some cool stuff, but I deeply regret the way I treated people. It wasn’t really my fault – I was a product of my environment – but it was my responsibility. Today, I’m proud to have built many welcoming communities, where people are rewarded for their involvement, rather than coming away from their experience hurt. What motivates us to build and give away free software if not bringing joy to ourselves and others? Can we be proud of a community which brings more suffering into the world?

Update: Response from Vaxry, Hyprland Developer

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[–] SirPlus@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The guy who develops hyprland is a known transphobe, I'm surprised this is just now coming out.

[–] intrepid@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago

That usually isn't a problem as long as they keep it to themselves and away from the community. There are many Foss developers who are like that - they don't cause a controversy. This one seems to be different and openly toxic.

[–] michaelmelanson@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

This is a good enough reason to fork a project and establish a new community with new norms.

[–] dino@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I mean if he is the lead dev, then I doubt this makes much sense.

[–] michaelmelanson@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Hyprland is itself a fork of wlroots, a project that the author of this post created, so this has happened before and they definitely have the skills to bootstrap a new project.

[–] aard@kyu.de 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Hyprland is itself a fork of wlroots, a project that the author of this post created

No, it is not. wlroots is plumbing containing parts a compositor commonly would need to implement, and many compositors - including hyprland - sit on top of that to avoid reinventing the wheel over and over again.

[–] michaelmelanson@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago

Ah yeah I had it wrong. Thanks for the correction.

[–] orangeboats@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's not a fork of wlroots. wlroots is a library to assist developers in creating Wayland compositors.

[–] michaelmelanson@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago

Yeah my mistake. Thanks for the correction.

[–] InstallGentoo@lemmy.zip -1 points 1 year ago

People like you are insane

[–] GenBlob@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It sucks that cool projects like hyprland are usually riddled with toxic weirdos that ruin it. It also sucks that there's not much to choose in the wayland space that's usable and actively developed but I refuse to use hyprland after seeing this.

[–] xavier666@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Your first mistake was joining a Discord group for a software product. Github pages / bug-tracker or GTFO.

[–] blindbunny@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

Fucking right? Let alone a open source project.

[–] piexil@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

From Vaxry's response:

opinion - has no place in a serious blogpost

Sir, what do you think a BLOG is for?

[–] woelkchen@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

the moderators of the Discord server engaged in a harassment campaign against a transgender user, including using their moderator privileges to edit the pronouns in their username from “they/she” to “who/cares”

Well, apparently those moderators care. Why else edit it?

[–] deadcade@lemmy.deadca.de 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I can personally vouch for how toxic the Discord server and its moderators/admins are. Went there for support (Hyprland was crashing on startup on AMD, sway worked fine), and was told something along the lines of "if you can't figure this out you're stupid and you should stop using Linux". Figured out the issue on my own and stopped using and recommending Hyprland after that.

[–] piexil@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Vaxry's themselves does this all the time. He's an asshole. Like I get OSS developers don't owe anyone anything, but some people think that means they can be an asshole to their users for no reason too.

Just look at this for example. Someone asked a clarifying question and Vaxry basically said "stop making noise". Ironically producing more noise instead of just, idk, answering them? https://github.com/hyprwm/Hyprland/issues/1817

[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 1 points 1 month ago

Sorry to be dragging a comment out of the aether as I read into Hyprland controversies, but its absolutely wild this guy was rude across the span of an entire week about a pretty typical issue request, and then later down the road was like "it was one bad comment I might have been having a bad day" and its like... Dude it was 7 days

[–] beteljuice@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

I stopped using it because of a couple shitty interactions on Discord. I don't know anything about the developer himself but the company he keeps sucks. Using the word "cucked" when talking about breaks in dependencies... and being told "see if I care" when pointing out a race condition I found in initialization that caused problems with multimonitor setups.

No thanks. Sway works great. No need for eye candy.

[–] starman@programming.dev 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

As someone on HackerNews said:

I've never felt the need for any "community" for my window manager of choice

[–] wispydust@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago

Hmm, I feel like there's some nuances around Hyprland (and it's kind of window managers) that makes having a place for discussion valuable.

  • Plugin development discussions
  • Configuration recipes and troubleshooting (Configs for tiling wm's often are like 500-line software projects)
  • ...and sometimes its just fun to chat with like-minded people who share a similar philosophy on the tools they use on their computers

I'm not a hyprland user, but I find it valuable to lurk around SwayWM communities on Discord and Reddit.

[–] phario@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Hmmm. If abuse happens, is the right idea to say that “I don’t need this community”?

I’m not sure how that HackerNews comment helps in the slightest. If my university has an obscure basket weaving community and people are getting abused in that community, should I just say “Eh we don’t actually need a basket weaving community”.

It’s also amusing to me that a commenter on a relatively obscure and niche website is complaining that that don’t need (or care about abuse that transpired on) a niche community from another website. And then this comment is echoed in yet another niche community.

[–] starman@programming.dev 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I just wanted to point out that it's ridiculous to form some kind religion¹ around a wayland compositor.

Also, I don't want anybody to think I'm supporting what's happening there. I just don't really care about Hyprland's community because I'm not part of it.

¹Hyprland's discord server is named "Church of Hyprland"

[–] aard@kyu.de 1 points 1 year ago

This is a pretty old joke. See "Church of Emacs".

[–] Fizz@lemmy.nz 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

All this over some discord server drama. I cant blame the dev for wanting to code and not waste his time moderating.

[–] RegalPotoo@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Then don't run a discord instance?

"Hey, the server is getting pretty toxic and I can't be bothered moderating it - this is no longer an official communication channel, I'm not going to be hanging out here anymore, if you need help ask in the GitHub discussion forum"

[–] kionite231@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's the developer's responsibility to moderate the discord server properly.

[–] iegod@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The developer owes you nothing.

[–] Zangoose@lemmy.one 1 points 1 year ago

The developer doesn't owe us anything, but if they're creating an online community like Discord there are inherent responsibilities that come with that. If they don't want to moderate, then they shouldn't create a Discord/Matrix/Whatever server.

Just like how even if the developer doesn't owe us anything, that doesn't mean it's fine for them to push malware as an update to their previously fine code after they've established trust.

[–] Blizzard@lemmy.zip 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] ReversalHatchery@beehaw.org 1 points 1 year ago

Does not anymore

[–] CypherPsycho@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

Who gives a fucking shit lol. Guy makes software I like, I use it. I don't care if he has slaves on treadmill generating his electricity.

[–] _cnt0@feddit.de 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Well, we live in a democracy: 9 out of 10 people enjoy bullying or don't care about it. If you hate democracy, go to North Korea, snowflake!

(obvious /s is obvious)

In other non-news: Using a software doesn't require visiting a loosely associated unofficial community. This has strong vibes of people wanting to be Christian and changing Christianity while being opposed to ~half the bible's content if they bothered to read it. Just fuck that cesspool and move on with your life ...

[–] ReversalHatchery@beehaw.org 1 points 1 year ago

It is not obvious. Look at the comments, there are weird people here too.