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What's up with the prices of smaller used drives? (feddit.de)

submitted 5 months ago by Pete90@feddit.de to c/selfhosted@lemmy.world

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I'm in the marked for a used 4TB for my offsite backup. As I've recently acquired four 12TB drives (about 10000 hours and one to two years old) for 130€ each, I was optimistic. 30 to 40€ I thought. Easy.

WRONG! Used drive, failing SMART stats, 40€. Here is a new drive, no hours on it. Oh wait, it was cold storage and it's almost 8 years old. Price? 90€ (mind you, a new drive costs about 110€). Another drive has already failed, but someone wants 25€ for e-waste. No Sir, it worked fine when I used Check-Disk, please buy. Most of the decent ones are 70 to 80€, way too close to the new price. I PAID 130 FOR 12TB. These drive were almost new and under warranty. WHY DO THIS NUMBNUT WANT 80 EURO FOR A USED 4TB Drive? And what sane person doesn't put SMART data in their offerings??? I have to ask at least 50 percent of the time. Don't even get me started on those external hard drives, they were trash to begin with. I'm SO CLOSE to buying a high capacity drive, because in that segment, people actually know what they are doing and understand what they have.

Rant over.

What gives? Did these people buy them, when they were much more expensive? Does anyone now a good site that ships refurbished drives to Germany? Most of those I found are also rippoffs...

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[–] stuckgum@lemmy.ml 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Very bad value idea buying used drives

[–] Contend6248@feddit.de 0 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

If you check it and run it through a course and a decent one year guarantee, you should be fine. If it doesn't fail then it won't fail for quite some time.

Just make sure to put it in some RAID or parity

I just swapped my >10 year old WD Reds with refurbished used drives at 1/3 of the price, just because i need more space, these things last if you take some care.

[–] cron@feddit.de 0 points 5 months ago (2 children)

I have no idea why, but I made the same experience. Used drives are in most cases much overprized. Often far beyond the price/TB of new, larger disks.

[–] Pete90@feddit.de 0 points 5 months ago

Good to know I'm not the only one!

[–] ogmios@sh.itjust.works 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Could it perhaps be specific models that are no longer manufactured? I was checking out the price I could expect for one of my old PSUs and found that it was apparently a particularly well liked unit for some reason, and so it's used price was a fair bit higher than expected.

[–] cron@feddit.de 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

My guess is that it is often hard for people to grasp that HDDs loose value much faster than other items they own. New HDDs are larger and offer better price per TB, and older HDDs have a higher risk to fail.

I can buy new HDDs at 16€/TB, why should I spend 12€/TB on a used disk?

[–] MrSoup@lemmy.zip 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Where did you got these new 16€/TB HDDs?

[–] cron@feddit.de 0 points 5 months ago

One of the best offers I could find is 300€ for 20 TB, which makes exactly 15€/TB.

[–] tvcvt@lemmy.ml 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I see a ton of price fluctuation in used drives. One way I’ve had some success is in seeking out drives sold in lots. Often I’ll also see SAS drives sell for less than a SATA drive of the same size.

[–] Pete90@feddit.de 0 points 5 months ago

I'd be scared to be ripped off in a lot. Do they show drive stats before sale?

[–] taladar@sh.itjust.works 0 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Are there even that many people still buying HDDs that small considering SSD and NVMe are not that much more expensive and a lot faster?

[–] Pete90@feddit.de 0 points 5 months ago

There is quite a price difference, at least here in Germany. It easily be double, if not more... I'd love to use SSDs, but can't afford them right now

[–] cron@feddit.de 0 points 5 months ago

With 4 TB, the price difference is quite painful (at least for me). With anything below, I'd buy an SSD without thinking twice.

[–] rambos@lemm.ee 0 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

I bought Seagate 12 TB refurbished for 120€, I dont know is that a good deal, but that thing is noisy! Working fine tho. Its from amazon.de and they have 4TB WD blue for 70€, also refurbished. Yeah its not cheap imo

[–] Pete90@feddit.de 0 points 5 months ago

I didn't even think to look at Amazon, but for 12TB, that is an okay to good price. Too bad the 4TB is inappropriately expensive...

[–] BombOmOm@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

There are some decently priced drives available used on eBay and Mercari, but they tend to get snatched up pretty quickly. Official refurbs are probably your best bet if you don't want new, I know B&H sells official refurbs.

The main issue is people think 'I spent $200 on this, it still works, I'll sell it for $150 used' and don't bother checking what is actually selling. Both eBay and Mercari have a sold listings filter, which is a great way for both buyers and sellers to figure out what things are actually worth.

[–] Pete90@feddit.de 0 points 5 months ago

Yeah, that seems to be the case. I'll be on the lookout for official refurbished drives, thanks for your input!

[–] AncientFutureNow@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I got three, used Samsung 970PRO M.2 drives for $40 each. Looking at them with Crystal Disk and one is 100% health, one is 72%, one is 52%. I dont see the 52% reaching 0% before my system is replaced within the next 5-7years.

[–] Moonrise2473@feddit.it 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Seeing that my Samsung 512gb only lost 5% in 5 years and I made many transfers I really wonder how the previous owner got to 52%

[–] Pete90@feddit.de 0 points 5 months ago

Proxmox eats consumer grade SSDs (at least that's what people are talking about)

[–] ShortN0te@lemmy.ml 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Guess there is more interest for those drives. Much more ppl need 4 TB drives. Only lunatics buy drives over 10 TB.

But just guessing

[–] Pete90@feddit.de 0 points 5 months ago

Hej. I need all of that data. And those movies too. But yeah, seems to be the case. Weird, that people buy those drives, when 12tb aren't that much more expensive. We'll, but here I am but only because I had an old but okay 4TB drive lying around.

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Always buy new drives

[–] Pete90@feddit.de 0 points 5 months ago

I've had great success with used drives so far, mind you I only buy slightly used with lots of remaining warranty... Saved me tons.