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America's nonreligious are a growing, diverse phenomenon. They really don't like organized religion (apnews.com)

submitted 11 months ago by MicroWave@lemmy.world to c/news@lemmy.world

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Mike Dulak grew up Catholic in Southern California, but by his teen years, he began skipping Mass and driving straight to the shore to play guitar, watch the waves and enjoy the beauty of the morning. “And it felt more spiritual than any time I set foot in a church,” he recalled.

Nothing has changed that view in the ensuing decades.

“Most religions are there to control people and get money from them,” said Dulak, now 76, of Rocheport, Missouri. He also cited sex abuse scandals in Catholic and Southern Baptist churches. “I can’t buy into that,” he said.

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[–] Crass_Spektakel@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Non-Religion is cool if you get used to it. 91% of all Germans are "Not practising any religion". On paper some 70% still are members of religious communities but otherwise we don't give a fuck and instead going to church we meet for beer and bretzel breakfast on sunday. We stopped being religious after two World Wars as God was never on our side. Now we ain't on his side either. Never been more happy.

Funny thing, officially Religion is part of school. But from what I remember it was more a history lesson. I remember every jewish and muslim holiday but not a single Christian Martyrer. Yes, around half of religious lessons at school was about other religions. Most likely because of selective memory - on holidays I could have beer and bretzel breakfast. Martyrers don't feed me.

[–] Enkrod@feddit.de 0 points 11 months ago

Just don't forget that it wasn't easy for us to hem in religion. It's not like the churches were okay with becoming irrelevant. They got dragged into the age of enlightenment by their hair, kicking and screaming and fighting against progress with all their might. We tamed that tiger, but it still remembers its claws and it is still a dangerous beast.

Also please don't forget the huge amount of influence the churches still have on German politics. Public Broadcasting has representatives of the churches in their Broadcasting Councils, the two churches continue to be some of the biggest lobbying-groups with explicit offices connecting them directly to the government. You can't party and dance in the street on a Good Friday, Public broadcasting is not allowed to air "Monty Python's Life of Brian" on Good Friday, and even public screenings by secular groups are illegal.

[–] thelastknowngod@lemm.ee 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I used to have that really common thought of "I don't care what you believe in. Just don't try to push your opinion on me."

No. It's bullshit.

The very existence of religion is a psychological drain on society. We are all worse off the longer it stays around. There is no such thing as a good religious person and anyone who says they are religious I immediately distrust.

[–] Enkrod@feddit.de 0 points 11 months ago

There is no such thing as a good religious person

That's a bridge too far for me.

Yes, faith is in and off itself detrimental to our society. Religiosity is a strong detrimental force, a mind-virus, a meme that damages the ability to clearly perceive reality.

But just like people who are infected with an infectious virus aren't bad, not all religious people are automatically bad people. I don't think they are good because they are religious, but that doesn't mean they are not good or not religious. So let us not fall into the same absolutist thoughts as the fervent deniers of secular goodness.

[–] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I think the only thing we lose is community -- I'm jealous that religious people automatically have that.

The solution of course is trying to return to having neighborhood communities.

[–] cjthomp@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Join a bowling league.

Do anything every week with the same group and you'll establish that same community...but without the grifting and shaming.

[–] RepulsiveDog4415@feddit.de 0 points 11 months ago

10/10 can confirm though it was Friday Magic Night for me.

[–] rainynight65@feddit.de 0 points 11 months ago

Ah yes, that sense of 'community' that only manifests when they all sit in their church, and vanishes the moment they all get back home.

I get more of a sense of community out of my model railway forums and my live steam club.

[–] mojo@lemm.ee 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

All I want is separation of church and state, like it's supposed to be.

[–] Kage520@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Even according to Jesus

[–] rainynight65@feddit.de 0 points 11 months ago

If Jesus ever does come back, he won't last ten minutes before they nail him to the cross again. Today's Christianity is so far out of step with his supposed teachings, they might as well exist in different universes.

[–] TheMadnessKing@lemdro.id 0 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

I really cant wrap my head that religion still exist in this age. Like we have mass destruction weapons, rockets that go beyond earth, have proof of how vast the universe is and then what we fight over is how some God has dictated our life to be.

[–] rainynight65@feddit.de 0 points 11 months ago

I have the same problem with monarchy. The only thing that disturbs me more than the existence of royals with their archaic rituals and inbred lines of succession is the fact that there are so many people who love that shit.

Monarchies are also deeply intertwined with religion, which makes it extra problematic.

[–] Fisk400@feddit.nu 0 points 11 months ago

Even religious groups hate organized religion. They just make an exception for the one they happen to be part of.