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I'm a conservative. I don't mind the liberal stuff here. It's good to learn the other side, but I don't want a liberal echo chamber. I'd like to be more politically balanced in the fediverse. Is there any way I can do that?

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[–] mortalic@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Just a reminder that it isn't a left vs right conversation. It's working class vs ruling class.

You aren't bitter at leftists, you're bitter at the ideas that media companies use to keep you angry at leftists instead of oligarchs.

If you have to work, you're working class.

If you actually do hate certain types of people, then you need to work on yourself.

If you don't believe certain people need health care, then you need to work on yourself.

If you believe ultra wealthy (people making over $10mil in income annually) deserve more tax cuts, then you need to work on yourself.

If you don't believe that minimum wage should have parity with inflation, then you need to work on yourself.

Have some class solidarity.

EDIT: To all those downvotes... Ask yourself why you are downvoting me. (Now with 100% more sources)

Do you actually hate certain people? Really? But you're downvoting me? Work on yourself.

Do you actually believe you don't deserve health care? That others don't deserve health care? Seriously? Work on yourself.

Are you super wealthy (low percentage chance)? I'm saying uncomfortable things to you. But you can easily afford those taxes so maybe work on yourself.

Do you believe people working for minimum wage shouldn't be able to afford an apartment by themselves anywhere in the USA? Work on yourself.

[–] Hobbes@startrek.website -1 points 1 year ago

Well said. I'm saving this.

[–] Skimmer@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I understand how you feel, let me know if you find anything. I'm more left leaning myself, but I'm also not a fan of echo chambers and it gets pretty tiring and annoying seeing the same stuff over and over again. At the end of the day, I just wanna see an open, fair, and balanced discussion. The Fediverse is undeniably very left leaning currently, which is surprising to me since you'd think the anti-censorship design on paper would appeal more to people on the right who are against big tech and censorship, but I guess not? It's interesting.

[–] o_oli@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I mean honestly it's probably near impossible to discuss conservative politics online these days without the far right loonies invading, taking over and getting the place banned lol.

Also I wonder if conservatives would be put off lemmy given the political stance of its creators - even though that shouldn't matter being free and open and not controlled by any one person, you know how people are.

[–] Duke_Nukem_1990@feddit.de 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Why do you think it is, that those "far right loonies" feel welcome and comfortable in those "conservative" spaces?

[–] Falmarri@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Getting news from YouTube explains a lot dude. You think all doctors are the same? Equally credible? There are no crazy, stupid, or malicious doctors? What kind of doctor would be most likely to be making youtube videos?

[–] mitchacho74@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think it'll be tough to find that corner of it... I think I saw a conservative community on lemmy.world but the platforms original purpose was to get away from the big, controlling, capitalist social media platforms the likes of Twitter, Instagram, reddit, etc. Like mastodon, the largest part of the fediverse (I'm pretty sure), grew alot when twitter was brought by Elon, and more moved after he messed up the platform enough, saying they'll create their own platform where hate won't be allowed. It's kinda against it's nature to have much conservative-ness.

Not trying to be rude as based on how this sounds, you seem nice enough and not crazy, but places like mastodon are basically the left's version of "Truth social" where people are pretty ok with saying "I don't want those thoughts spread here" those thoughts they don't want are usually things like homophobia or transphobia, but those are fairly common on the right even if you don't share them.

It's an interesting thought and would probably be alittle healthier, but hey you're still here being able to provide that counter point of view

[–] Hobbes@startrek.website 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Anyone who votes for a party that supports racism, banning books, and trying to make it harder for people to vote is not "nice enough".

They are an evil piece of shit who is making the country a miserable place to live.

[–] xigoi@lemmy.sdf.org -1 points 1 year ago

If you have only two choices and both are bad, you have to choose the lesser evil. The OP probably doesn't like the racism and stuff, but they dislike certain policies of the other party even more.

Also, “trying to make it harder for people to vote” is an interesting way to say “requiring people to bring their citizen ID when voting, like in any civilized country”.

[–] Ryumast3r@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] Encode1307@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What I'd like it to mean - the belief that government intervention often hurts the people that it's meant to help, so should only be used in limited circumstances and be carefully designed.

It seems to mean white supremacy, misogyny, homophobia and xenophobia instead.

[–] Kissaki@feddit.de 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

That definition doesn't seem to fit the verb conserve or adjective conserving. If it's specifically about government, wouldn't it be better to use a term for that instead of the very broad conservative? Slim Government?

Conservative includes a lot more than just a government ideology.

[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I’d like to be more politically balanced in the fediverse.

As shown by votes on abortion rights in states like Kansas, Michigan, etc, your views are in the minority. Media makes it seem like the country is split 50-50, but the only reason that appearance isn't turned on its head is low voter turnout.

I do hope you find a place where you feel comfortable, however. I think that's reasonable to strive for for all people regardless of their views.

[–] McNasty@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago

Nah, man. If your views involve forcing the birth of a baby with spina-bifida or my wife carrying a dead fetus for three months or more, you can get fucked.

[–] Lanthanae@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Why make it a right vs left thing at all. Can't we just discuss things going on as they are without pigeonholing certain opinions as "right" and "left?"

I don't think x y z thing is true because I'm "on the left." I think it's true because it's my best understanding of reality, and that understanding of reality is generally described as "left." If you falsify my arguments, point flaws in my understanding, or present me with a set of premises that corroborates reality better, I'll align myself with that in a heartbeat. When you see something you disagree with, don't just think "oh that's leftism I don't agree with that," instead, try to figure out what you think the flaw is with it, and then offer that up in good faith. Worst case scenario, someone learns something.

[–] Snowman44@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago

You have a point there. I agree with a lot of views from the left even though I'm on the right.

[–] duckington@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Unfortunately most of the more “conservative” instances became highly toxic and so most other instances have defederated with them.

[–] randomname01@feddit.nl 1 points 1 year ago

Instantly became toxic? I’m shocked, shocked I say!

[–] rist097@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I think they would be more moderate if more moderate people would have opportunity to participate. Right now all of the non left instances or communities get too quickly defederated and deleted, so moderate people who would normally participate dont want to create na account on a completely defederated instance. The only thing you are left of there are some crazies.

The only way I heard of conservative communities here is from a post that is asking for defederation or deletion

[–] Jimbo@yiffit.net 1 points 1 year ago

Well, the conservatives in those communities could try being less horrible pieces of shit and not bring hate to minority spaces, but that's probably too much to ask

[–] S_204@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Reality has a well known liberal bias. Stop trying to hide from reality.

[–] zepheriths@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

No, the Internet as a whole has more liberals than conservatives, due to a variety of reason. In real life you are much more likely to met someone that is neutral or only slightly to either side. What exists here is literal echo chambers of liberal policy to the point the policy becomes unpalatable for most, that doesn't exist outside the internet.

[–] GiddyGap@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

that doesn't exist outside the internet.

Never been to any type of city, I see.

[–] Aabbcc@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

the Internet as a whole has more liberals than conservatives

Because Conservatives don't know how to use the internet or change the channel away from fox

[–] Snowman44@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't like fox or cnn. They're both corrupt. I prefer to get my news through youtube. I search for experts on a certain topic explaining the issue. During covid I watched a lot of doctors explaining covid on YouTube.

[–] sosodev@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

YouTube is not a news source my friend. A lot of the “experts” you’ll find on there have zero credibility.