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I was having this conversation with my daughter and thought it was an interesting topic.

If an EMP or solar flare took out everything electronic in the whole world (permanently), how long do you think it would take for you to die, given your current location and circumstances.

I believe my daughter thinks we would live a lot longer than I do, but she is thinking about how long she can live without the internet while I am thinking the world will quickly descend into anarchy.

With no traditional forms of transport, so supplies would dry up, limited resources, health etc, law and order would be a challenge as things become more desperate.

I think I would live for about 3 months. I would try to get the family somewhere safe and remote and come back later, but I think most people would have the same idea.

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[–] BastingChemina@slrpnk.net 1 points 11 months ago

There is a book that describes exactly that: Ashes, Ashes by Barjavel.

It's a classic of French science-fiction literature and I recommended everyone to read.

It was written in 1943, it describes a parisian dystopian society in 2050 where all the electricity suddenly stop overnight. Even thought the book is 80 years old it is surprisingly accurate in some aspect.

[–] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

I think the immediate deaths would all be from people who need electricity to run medical devices.

Followed shortly by people who require refrigerated medication.

Followed by elderly who die from exposure to extreme, unconditioned temperatures.

and that would be in the first, oh, say... week or two.

Then, with fridges full of rotted food, your first major death wave will occur as masses of people lose their absolute goddamn minds in panic and fear and start food riots/try to rob from others/raid big industrial farms/neighborhood gardens/etc, which leads to mass deaths from starvation, exposure, exertion, desperation, and gunshot.

Which will even out after about a week or two.

Then you settle in for the slow burn. 3 months out you'll have another, comparatively small wave of deaths from people who run out of non-refridgeration requiring medications.

Then another slow burn until manufactured canned goods run out in stores and scavanged homes until a wave of starvation.

All in all, I'd say you'd probably be over the bulk of the mass deaths after 6 months, and with a significantly reduced population.. Which will be to the benefit of the survivors, since less people per mile will make farming/hunting easier, and life safer.. because while raiders/thieves will always be a overarching concern and safety issue, at this point, most of the desperation should have passed along with most of the desperate.

There will also be, for at least a generation, possibly two, the lingering unspoken understanding that more people than anyone would ever care to count only survived the famines and fall by eating the long pig.

[–] BastingChemina@slrpnk.net 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

You forgot water in your scenario.

To be fair most people in a first world country don't need to think about water since it's just "there", all the time.

But as soon as the electricity goes out the water supply goes out too.

No water supply means no water to drink, with no water the human body die within 3 days, so people will start to rely on any dirty water they can find.

About dirty water, no water also means no WC. I repeat: no WC so no evacuation of feces and urine. Within a few day a big city swill be covered with human excrement. Mixed with no clean water access it means that deadly waterborne diseases will spread extremely quickly.

[–] OceanSoap@lemmy.ml 1 points 11 months ago

Sorry, what's the long pig? Other humans?

[–] aveline@lemmy.ml 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I live in the middle of the Mojave Desert, so I think it would depend on the time of year. There would be too many people fighting over what little water we have, and if it was in the middle of the summer, I don't know that I would make it very long.

[–] Ser_Salty@feddit.de 0 points 11 months ago

Would it make you wish for a nuclear winter?

[–] Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee 0 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Way longer than your average person but I'd start running out of supplies after few months too. I have food stocked up for few months, 90 litres of drinking water and a water filter, 120 litres of diesel plus what I have in the tank, enough fuel to run alchohol stove for few months aswell and I have a fireplace to keep myself warm basically indefinitely.

It's kind of scary to think that even me whose somewhat of a prepper would run out of supplies quite quick. What does that mean for the average person who doesn't even have a jug of water stored up.

Also, this is the kind of discussion that would fit well on !zombiesurvival@sopuli.xyz

[–] Wrench@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I've always wondered. Do you folks just chow on nothing but canned food ands military reasons for a few months straight every couple years when things expire? Or just donate?

Don't get me wrong. I think it's good to have emergency supplies. But things expire...

[–] Schmeckinger@feddit.de 0 points 11 months ago

They could just eat them from time to time and replace them with new ones gradually.