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US transportation secretary Pete Buttigieg on Monday said human drivers must pay attention at all times after videos emerged of people wearing what appeared to be Apple’s recently released Vision Pro headset while driving Teslas.

Buttigieg responded on Twitter/X to a video that had more than 24m views of a Tesla driver who appeared to be gesturing with his hands to manipulate a virtual reality field.

Despite their names, Tesla’s assisted driving features – Autopilot, Enhanced Autopilot and Full Self-Driving – do not mean the vehicles are fully autonomous, Buttigieg said Monday on social media.

“Reminder – ALL advanced driver assistance systems available today require the human driver to be in control and fully engaged in the driving task at all times,” Buttigieg said.

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[–] scroll_responsibly@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

If you want a “self driving vehicle,” buy a horse.

[–] RagingRobot@lemmy.world 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I always wondered were there less accidents back then? Horses probably actively try not to run into things right? But they can also get scared and go crazy so who knows

[–] the_seven_sins@feddit.de 0 points 9 months ago

There are stories from horses bringing home their drunk, sleeping 'drivers' because they knew their way home.

I’d guess there were less alcohol related accidents..?

[–] KISSmyOS@feddit.de 0 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

“Reminder – ALL advanced driver assistance systems available today require the human driver to be in control and fully engaged in the driving task at all times,” Buttigieg said.

This is not entirely true anymore. If you're in a 2024 Mercedes EQS Sedan driving in Nevada (Edit: or California) at less than 40 mph, you are allowed to take your hands off the wheel and your eyes off the road.

[–] Crashumbc@lemmy.world 0 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Lol that's oddly specific.

Test road?

[–] KISSmyOS@feddit.de 0 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

No, Mercedes is the first one to market with a level 3 (fully self driving) system, which is available with their top of the line sedan.
They applied for certification and got it from the state of Nevada. (Edit: And California)

The system itself is limited to 40mph.

[–] MagicShel@programming.dev 0 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (5 children)

There's no way that isn't satire or similar commentary. Problem is I suspect way too many people are too dumb to get it. People who don't realize it's a faked scenario and are dumb enough to try it.

Edit: Jesus Christ it's fake. Have you downvoters even seen the video? Guy gets or of the car and is beep booping around? That motherfucker would be blind and couldn't walk around without falling. If he was in pass thru he'd be vommiting because there's no faster way to make yourself sick. The video isn't even possible without being staged.

The way people go on about critical thinking, I really expected you all to be a lot more savvy about things like this.

[–] sour@feddit.de 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Check out Casey neistats video of the vision pro. He just walks around and rides his boosted board in nyc without getting sick. By his own words, the pass through seems to be so amazing and fast that he forgot it isn't reality.

[–] MagicShel@programming.dev 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Someone linked his video. It's pretty impressive, especially if unedited. Around 1:10 in the video I can see the low FPS and high latency which most folks say makes them sick when using VR, so that guy must have a hell of a stomach because I've got a pretty strong one and pass-through gave me intense nausea and headache in very short order and that has been the case for every single experience with pass-through I've read about before.

[–] sour@feddit.de 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Dude, are you for real?

What you have been seeing is a screen recording that was cut into a video, which was compressed by YouTube. That's nowhere close to the high resolution 90hz display that's actually in front of his eyes.

Just accept that you overreacted and don't be such a sucker for being right.

[–] MagicShel@programming.dev 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

It's not the resolution, it's the latency. I also never overreacted except possibly in disbelief over how many people accept this as real - as in something this person actually does and not simply staged for a reaction. Well, guess he got it. But yeah I'm about done with all this. Not like anyone is going to remember me if and when we all find out it was staged.

[–] sour@feddit.de 0 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Yea and guess what, you can't see latency in a YouTube video either.

It's the first device that keeps the latency sub 12ms. Frankly, I never tried it, but it's something no other VR device achieved. I doubt it's fake until proven otherwise, 12ms is almost instant.

Your only argument is "I get sick from VR pass-through". Well, this is a new device that may have solved it, yet you continue to be set on your opinion based on past experiences with other, worse devices.

[–] newthrowaway20@lemmy.world 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Why contribute to satire when it's just as likely someone is really that dumb and has that level of disposable income?

[–] MagicShel@programming.dev 0 points 9 months ago

It's not just as likely at all. The fuck is wrong with people?

[–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

The new headsets show you the world around you and add an interface layer, like a HUD except the whole thing is on screen. You can walk around and still see in front of you, while your email interface floats off to the left. You interact with the interface through eye and hand motions.

I haven't used it, but that's what they claim it can do. It would not be impossible to do the things people are doing in the video.

[–] MagicShel@programming.dev 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Existing headsets also do this (not with integrated email but that's not the point). I know because trying it walking around my house made me the sickest I've ever been using VR. It shocks me the number of people who insist this is real and either haven't seen the video or haven't used VR.

This was staged. Will some idiots do it for real? Probably, if they can (sometime else said apple headsets shut down while in motion, so that would be another reason this was staged).

But the number of people downvoting me for saying the video everyone is talking about is faked honestly has me flummoxed. It's fucking obviously fake, just like the tide pod challenge.

[–] Jakeroxs@sh.itjust.works 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

You know with VR you get less motion sick eventually, they call it your "VR Legs" kind of like being on a boat or something like that.

[–] MagicShel@programming.dev 0 points 9 months ago

That doesn't mean this wasn't staged.

[–] dpkonofa@lemmy.world 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I don’t understand what you mean by “faked scenario”. This person is definitely driving and they definitely have the headset on. What do you mean is “faked” about this? Can you clarify?

[–] MagicShel@programming.dev 0 points 9 months ago

I've clarified in other responses. "Faked" in that it was staged. The dude doesn't actually drive around wearing a VR headset except, you know, just long enough to film it to present the ridiculous idea that someone might do this. I don't have the time or energy to go in depth on every single response that says [DOUBT] but you can get a sense of my thought process and I guess either agree or not.

[–] Dark_Arc@social.packetloss.gg 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

If he was in pass thru he'd be vommiting because there's no faster way to make yourself sick.

The issue I have with your comment is this. You're asserting that the experience you had with nausea and VR is the experience everyone has or will have with nausea and VR.

Some people can't read a book in the car without getting motion sickness. Some people can read hundreds. Some can read a few pages.

Some people can read a book but not play a video game. Some people have the opposite problem.

There's no way this was "fake" maybe staged, but this person was clearly in the driver's seat driving down a public 4-lane highway. Staged video or not, that's dangerous.

[–] MagicShel@programming.dev 0 points 9 months ago

If you can find one person who has used pass-through while walking around for like 15 minutes and hasn't gotten sick, you've found one more person than me. I've never heard anyone mention pass-thru that didn't immediately follow up that it made them extremely sick.

I'm not a person prone to motion sickness. I'm on boats all the time. I drive hundreds of miles at a stretch without a problem. I started feeling queasy in pass-thru within about 5 minutes. But I stuck with it and within 20 minutes I was on the verge of vomiting. This is not a subtle thing or something that only affects those with a weak constitution.

So I don't know. Maybe there are folks out there who are completely unaffected by it.

Then there is the claim someone made that a user experience video showed that the headset just shut down at high speeds and couldn't even be used on a train. I can't verify that quickly with Google.

I'm not sure where your line is between "fake" and "staged" but if they are only putting the headset on for the purpose of the video and they don't actually drive around that way, I'm calling that fake. Because they aren't actually using the headset except to draw attention to the fact that they are wearing the headset. People aren't actually doing this. They created a fake controversy.