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[–] pyr0ball@sh.itjust.works 83 points 3 days ago (7 children)

"But most significantly, Microsoft has made Recall a feature you must opt in to using rather than opt out of using, and it's possible to remove it completely."

Important bit

[–] FooBarrington@lemmy.world 49 points 3 days ago (6 children)

"Whoopsie, we turned it on for everyone by accident after an update! We made a fucky wucky!"

[–] tissn@lemmy.world 18 points 3 days ago (1 children)

"Whoopsie, turns out we lied and recall was enabled from the start and just pretended to be off" 😄🤷‍♂️

[–] 01189998819991197253@infosec.pub 8 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

"we noticed you uninstall Recall. Probably just an accident. We reinstalled it in an unremovable way and enabled it for you. You're welcome!"

Edit: autocorrect

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[–] Maxxie@lemmy.blahaj.zone 30 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Most MS controversial features go through "opt in -> opt out -> mandatory" pipeline examples are Telemetry, Windows Live account, Spotlight (ui ads), etc.

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[–] vrighter@discuss.tchncs.de 33 points 3 days ago (1 children)

only until they find out most people never enable it. Then it will be forced on

[–] Excrubulent@slrpnk.net 6 points 3 days ago

Yeah, this is just the thin end of the wedge.

Although I suppose you could call windows itself the thin end of the wedge, this is a slightly wider part.

[–] joel_feila@lemmy.world 17 points 3 days ago

opt in for now.

[–] bhamlin@lemmy.world 15 points 3 days ago

For now, anyway. Let's hope it stays that way.

[–] hightrix@lemmy.world 10 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Good! In my opinion this entirely changes the feature to acceptable.

[–] Liz@midwest.social 5 points 3 days ago (1 children)

They will eventually change the default to "on."

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[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 18 points 3 days ago

Copilot+ PCs have specific hardware requirements beyond the ones necessary to run Windows 11. The most significant is the requirement for a neural processing unit (NPU) that can process more than 40 trillion operations per second (TOPS).

So in other words, copilot will be a huge enormous waste of electricity as it's continuously training some shitty AI. Gottit.

[–] Omega_Jimes@lemmy.ca 117 points 4 days ago (1 children)

It's a pretty bold move to advertise the inclusion of a key logger in your OS.

[–] eronth@lemmy.world 69 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Not just keylogger. It's a screenlogger too.

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[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 15 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Install Linux already, be done with this windows nonsense

[–] madcaesar@lemmy.world 14 points 3 days ago (2 children)

I agree. But people also need to be ready for some of the Linux bullshit brings. I've switched recently and it's never 100% smooth sailing. But at least no tracking and proprietary bullshit.

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 0 points 7 hours ago

Bullshit like what? That most stuff just does as advertised?

Yeah, there will be technical issues here and there, but are you really going to claim widows doesn't have technical issues?

I've been doing Linux desktop for over 25 years now and every time I look at windows it's always because of some bullshit technical issue and I always have to wonder why people pay for that shit

[–] PM_Your_Nudes_Please@lemmy.world 8 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Yeah, this can be an unpopular opinion on Lemmy, because there’s a giant Linux circlejerk. But the unfortunate reality is that changing to Linux does have some major stumbling blocks. The “switching is so easy, just do it” crowd totally glosses over it, but that’s kind of rhetoric doesn’t help long term adoption. Because if some new user has only heard “switching is so easy” and immediately runs into issues, they’ll be more likely to go “well if it’s super easy and I can’t figure it out, I guess it’s just not for me” and abandon things.

There’s also a very vocal (and toxic) part of the Linux community that basically just screams “RTFM” at every newbie question. New users shouldn’t be expected to dig into a 350 page technical document just to learn the basics of their new OS.

[–] madcaesar@lemmy.world 6 points 3 days ago

Yea... The biggest wtf moment was

  1. Logitech doesn't have Linux drivers.... I didn't know this before switching. It's not really Linux's fault, but users won't care. The fact that something as basic as a mouse and keyboard need tinkering sucks

  2. Nvdia drivers are wonky and buggy it took me 2h to configure my two monitor setup. Again, really not Linux's fault, but people won't care

  3. Same random bugs like suspend not working, or extern drives randomly mounting, it's little things

So yea... I like Linux way better than Windows now, but "just switch everything works" simply isn't true and we have to be honest.

[–] commander@lemmy.world 14 points 3 days ago

In 2005 Windows was like 95% of the desktop/laptop market. Today it's 70-75%. Since then mobile phones usurped a lot of functionality that used to require a desktop/laptop. Windows dependency is going to keep trending down both in just desktop/laptop or including mobile devices

[–] joel_feila@lemmy.world 18 points 3 days ago (3 children)

every linux user: Oh no...well anyway

[–] kalipixel@reddthat.com 12 points 3 days ago (2 children)

It is good to use linux. But this has an impact on everyone to some degree. You may use Linux, but does your family, friends, your doctor, your teacher or boss, and whoever else who has some of your personal data?

[–] joel_feila@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

You do bring a good point. Every doctor will havemy phone number on file and recall will screen shot that. I cant do anything to stop that. Same with every other piece of data.

At least my doctor won't have screen shot of everything, web page, picture, word doc, friends lists, political news, I view on screen.

Someone will have vital information stolen from a recall hack on a 3rd party

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[–] untakenusername@sh.itjust.works 162 points 4 days ago (24 children)

get linux if you haven't already

if you don't know how, ask, Lemmy is covered in Linux users

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 42 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (29 children)

I'm building a new gaming PC and it's going to be a Linux build and if it doesn't work the way you guys keep insisting it will, I swear to God.

My last experience with Linux was with Ubuntu about 10 years ago and I can't say it was a particularly great experience I'm hoping that in the last decade it's improved its user experience.

[–] 0xSim@lemdro.id 30 points 4 days ago (16 children)

I'm migrating to Linux Mint, 99% of steam games work as well as on windows. Those who don't are mostly multiplayer games that insist to have some shitty kernel anticheat.

I'll still keep windows on dual boot when I need it, though.

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[–] pineapplepizza@lemm.ee 20 points 4 days ago (2 children)
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[–] PattyMcB@lemmy.world 53 points 4 days ago

Welp... Linux it is, then

[–] redwattlebird@lemmings.world 5 points 2 days ago

On a separate note, I just installed a Linux partition on my laptop to dual boot since I still need windows for AGI32 and Autodesk. Next weekend, I'll be shrinking my windows partition, move my files to a new partition and mount it in Linux so I can access files both ways.

Feels so good to have absolute control of my computer again.

I'm glad I got out when I could because Recall is such a dodgy 'feature'.

[–] Novocirab 27 points 3 days ago (15 children)

This is a huge opportunity. All of us Linux geeks now need to be on mainstream social media platforms and actively seek out and help everyone who expresses an interest in switching from Windows to Linux.

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[–] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 31 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Have to admit, the name "Recall" does have a better ring to it than "Take a Screenshot Every 3 Seconds".

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[–] hornedfiend@sopuli.xyz 38 points 4 days ago

I always “Recall” how shitty windows is, whenever I see the word mentioned.

[–] Matriks404@lemmy.world 20 points 4 days ago (1 children)

We live in weird age, where using Windows is becoming harder than Linux (even though it has its own issues).

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[–] tfowinder@lemmy.ml 40 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Would be interesting to see how microsoft kills windows in the long term and then be shocked as to how this happened

[–] tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip 27 points 4 days ago (4 children)

Kind of like how they fucked up and let zoom become the pandemic program everyone used despite skype being so established it had already become a verb like google? M$ really racking up those wins recently

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[–] lka1988@lemmy.dbzer0.com 46 points 4 days ago (1 children)
[–] ISOmorph 31 points 4 days ago (1 children)

There's nothing to laugh about. The maniacally evil thing about recall is, that it doesn't matter what you do to keep your devices clean. If you interact with someone who doesn't keep his devices clean, which is 100% of us, you're on recall

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[–] Aggravationstation@feddit.uk 14 points 4 days ago (8 children)

How long until Microsoft gets accused of stealing classified info?

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