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Fresh off victories in other legal cases, Donald Trump on Monday pressed a New York appeals court to overturn the nearly $500 million New York civil fraud judgment that threatens to drain his personal cash reserves as he campaigns to retake the White House.

In paperwork filed with the state’s mid-level appeals court, the former president’s lawyers said Manhattan Judge Arthur Engoron’s Feb. 16 finding that Trump lied to banks, insurers and others about his wealth was “erroneous” and “egregious.”

His lawyers argued that New York Attorney General Letitia James’ lawsuit should have been promptly dismissed, the statute of limitations barred some allegations, that no one was harmed by Trump’s alleged fraud and that James’ involvement in private business transactions threatens to drive business out of the state.

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[–] WatDabney@sopuli.xyz 70 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Well... I guess this, as all cases involving Trump now seem to, is going to hinge on whether this is a court that still follows the rule of law, or one of the seemingly growing number that follow the rule of demagoguery, shallow self-interest and corruption.

[–] j4k3@lemmy.world 20 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Someone put out a signal light on the sky. We need a Teddy T1000 Roosevelt badly, with a very very big stick.

[–] Irremarkable@fedia.io 22 points 1 month ago

A real man finishes his speech when he's shot

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 14 points 1 month ago (2 children)

This one is based on what he did before he was elected, so I think the SCOTUS ruling doesn't apply here.

[–] Khanzarate@lemmy.world 17 points 1 month ago (1 children)

SCOTUS ruling doesn't apply here, they're just commenting on the general trend of people not willing to sentence trump to anything, seemingly.

[–] dudinax@programming.dev 10 points 1 month ago

SCOTUS now rules whatever they want. Lower courts are getting the message.

[–] WatDabney@sopuli.xyz 8 points 1 month ago

Right, but at this point, I wouldn't put it past a court to just dream up some other excuse for ruling as their bias/bribes dictate.

[–] skeezix@lemmy.world 41 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Sorry. Convicted felon pay up asshole.

[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 25 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Not sorry. If you can’t pay the fine, don’t do the crime.

[–] Deello@lemm.ee -4 points 1 month ago (2 children)

He can pay, the problem is that he doesn't want to.

[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

So, the issue is that a lot of the assets he does have, have been used as collateral already.

The loan is still in escrow, afik, but it’s likely he can’t actually liquidate those assets (because collateral.) or use them as collateral for another loan (because banks don’t like to share collateral.)

In short he’s leveraged to his neck on his properties, and may not have the ready cash; if that loan were to go poof for some reason. (Like being illegal. I never did catch what happened with that.)

[–] n3m37h@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 month ago

I doubt he can

[–] Omega_Man@lemmy.world 17 points 1 month ago

It's a big deal to overturn a jury verdict. Let alone this jury verdict.

[–] JaymesRS@literature.cafe 10 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] Ranvier@sopuli.xyz 10 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Very weird. Supreme Court is not the highest court in new york state for anyone confused. Court of appeals is the highest court.

[–] PassingThrough@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

I mean, it kinda makes sense. Especially in this day and age an appeal is the final say, not the court ruling(feels like everything gets appealed). So, this way the place that happens is the highest court in the state. The final ruling is whether the highest non-appeals court did it right, not the original issue.

Or, put another way, if you tell me the highest court in the land has made a decision, I would expect that to be the end of it. But it’s not. From the moment the verdict is read lawyers are preparing an appeal. Therefore, whatever court takes the appeal makes the true final decision. Why not then make that the highest court in the land and better reflect the role?

[–] catloaf@lemm.ee 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Because then the supreme court isn't actually supreme (highest in rank or authority).

[–] PassingThrough@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago

Which is true in context. It’s a traditional name but it is not the highest authority, if you can make your case the appeals court can overrule them, making them the highest authority.

[–] RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

....Supreme literally means highest. So, no, it doesn't kinda make sense.

[–] PassingThrough@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago

Maybe not by name, but by job it does. That’s why it “kinda” makes sense. The court might be Supreme in name but not in duty, whoever got to write up the org chart realized that the appeals court got the final say and was the real top dog.

[–] n3m37h@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 month ago

Can we overturn Trumps presidency? 4 years of bullshit I'd like to forget