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[–] someguy@lemmyland.com 1 points 1 year ago

If schools only focused on what students were motivated to learn, I'm not sure schools would really be accomplishing much. Not to say that schools shouldn't foster motivation in students. Just that technology, especially social media, is very effective at distracting people.

[–] balderdash9@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 year ago

I can try to make the material interesting and be engaging but if you're watching Overwatch on your phone all of that is a moot point.

[–] variants@possumpat.io 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Second slide makes the first one possible but will still take effort beyond that

[–] ZWho63@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't think so tbh. If students are motivated enough, then this policy wouldn't need to be pursued.

[–] variants@possumpat.io 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

A lot of kids are really addicted to their phones it's hard to even talk to them when they just always have their phone in their hand

[–] akulium@feddit.de 0 points 1 year ago

Not just kids

[–] Packopus@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It's always rude to not listen. So phones should not be allowed during class.

However, It's rude not to allow breaks, growth, emergencies, and the fact that they are in fact, kids. They should be allowed to socialize, enjoy youth, and understand hierarchy/respect. So to earn respect, you must respect first.

Let the kids have their phones/computers as that is the modern world we live in. They will have technology. Don't discourage it just because some people learned "you won't always have a calculator in your pocket". Well, now you do, so rather than ban it, teach them to USE IT!!! Just... properly.

Adapt the teaching, not the class.

[–] SHITPOSTING_ACCOUNT@feddit.de 0 points 1 year ago

Are there schools that don't teach calculator usage? Even 10-15 years ago German schools (at least in the states I looked at) had the option to teach math with either basic calculators, scientific calculators, or computer algebra systems in grades 9-13 (I think) with most schools picking scientific calculators even back then. I would expect that to have moved into earlier grades and more advanced devices nowadays.

[–] Mistic@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I would still disagree about phone usage.

Even when in school, phone helped me quite a bit with education. Having a way to do a quick fact-check is invaluable.

Now as I'm finishing getting my degree such devices became an inseparable part of the process.

Yes, you may not always listen to what's being said whilst using them, but lets be frank, you wouldn't be listening to those parts either way.

School education in a lot of places is fundamentally flawed. It's extremely difficult to learn when you're expected to absorb information just by listening and writing.

I'd agree with OPs sentiment here, off-topic smartphone usage isn't the cause for worse education, but instead is a result of poor engagement in the first place. Should people be more engaged in the topic then suddenly smartphones start being used as a studying tool and not for entertainment. There are many ways of achieving that, but that's a whole different story.

[–] ShranTheWaterPoloFan@startrek.website 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think the biggest issue isn't letting kids use a tool, it's getting kids to do the work.

I recently worked with a bunch of kids in college, all stem majors, who couldn't Google effectively or do basic math in their heads. It's not a matter of "don't let them use a resource" it's that many people won't try.

Limiting technology isn't cruelty, it's vital for learning many skills. Number sense can't be taught by a taking a picture and writing an answer.

[–] nightdice@feddit.de 0 points 1 year ago

I agree whole-heartedly. As someone who needed to learn the hard way that knowing the shortcut doesn't always help with the work, I'm very much in favor of teaching kids the proper way first.

Also, if kids need to be "fact-checking" their class, that's indicative of a whole different issue.
Because I don't think most kids have learnt even the smallest bit about proper research methodology to be able to fact-check things. If that little bit they know is enough to disprove something in class, that teacher needs a stern talking to about the bs they peddle.

[–] ShranTheWaterPoloFan@startrek.website 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What would you prefer the school do?

How could they motivate you to actually pay attention in class instead of playing with your phone? Honestly ask yourself if this "addressing motivation" would make geometry more interesting than tiktok.

[–] radioactiveradio@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Maybe if they used blender(the software) to explain it.

[–] SHITPOSTING_ACCOUNT@feddit.de 0 points 1 year ago

If they try to use a blender (the kitchen appliance), I'm sure it will also become interesting.

[–] Nobsi@feddit.de 0 points 1 year ago

"oh no i cannot play on my phone, how could school be so cruel"

[–] Facebones@reddthat.com 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

American society has always been HIGHLY punitive with an almost non existent interest in actually solving a problem. Even the most "liberal" of us if you mention plugging the social/economic holes that lead to massive crime spikes get all

"Mayyybbeeee I guuueeeesssssss but like what you can't just NOT throw the book at them and ruin their life forever?!?! How else will they stop doing crime if we don't effectively take away their ability to earn a valid living via criminal charges?!?!"

[–] u202307011927@feddit.de 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Maybe the US could incorporate the silent kids to parole with guns and motivate the other kids to learn. It would be a win-win-win situation wouldn't it?

[–] pinkdrunkenelephants@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The motivation problem isn't the school's fault, it's yours. You choose to not want to learn.

[–] noobnarski@feddit.de 0 points 1 year ago

Oh yeah I totally needed to learn about what a writer might have thought 200 years ago while writing EVERY SINGLE PAGE of his book, when I already knew that I wanted to do something with technology.

But we didnt have enough teachers for biology and physics and chemistry, so instead we got more literature.

I wonder where I (and our whole society) would be now if schools werent meant for preparing kids to transition into work, but instead about getting the full potential out of every kid.

Im German and I did learn English in school, but not really, because it was taught in a way that made me lose interest immediately.

I actually learned English when I started to watch Minecraft Youtubers in English because they had some interesting contraptions in their videos or something like that (Its been a while, I dont know exactly why I started watching them)

[–] JokeDeity@lemm.ee -1 points 1 year ago

OP take a look back at this in about 5-10 years and realize how monumentally ignorant it is.