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Disclaimer: I am not trolling, I am an autistic person who doesn’t understand so many social nuances. Also I am from New Hampshire (97% white), so I just don’t have any close African-American friends that I am willing to risk asking such a loaded question.

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[–] xantoxis@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Watermelon and chicken were two of the ways that black people started supporting themselves after being freed from slavery. They were agricultural products they could raise with very little investment and start building wealth from essentially nothing. Racists, not wanting them to prosper, mocked them for their preference for these things, but it's important to note that the mockery didn't stop them from supporting themselves with the foods they were able to produce. To this day black people enjoy these foods, and there's nothing wrong with them enjoying the foods. If you're with your black family, and you want to celebrate your own heritage, this isn't actually a bad way to do it.

However.

When a corporation, particularly a corporation run and staffed by white people, makes a choice to celebrate a significant black cultural date by presenting people with foods that white people used to mock black people, it reads as mockery. (This is especially true in North Carolina, a place where racism is rampant and open.) At best, this is tone deaf; someone along the way should have said "hey, do you think any black people will feel like you're doing this as a racist attack?" And if any one of them had answered "yes" to that question, they wouldn't have done it. It made it through the pipeline to being something they actually did because nobody in the decision chain cares about the racist overtones of what they were doing.

If you're going to do anything to celebrate black history or black culture, failing to ask any black people what they think about it is racism. Cultural sensitivity would have meant getting some input from a few black folks about how they think it should be celebrated--and, had they done that, they would have avoided this mess.

And, just in case anyone was wondering, the VP in charge of this situation is white.

[–] just_ducky_in_NH@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Thank you! TIL Black people were mocked for liking those foods. They are the best, racists are only hurting themselves if they don’t eat it!

[–] xantoxis@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Ah, but here's the real hypocrisy: they absolutely do eat those foods. Southerners of any color love fried chicken and watermelon. That doesn't stop them from being racist about it. Racism doesn't have to make sense.

[–] Broken_Monitor@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Every time this comes up I gotta say, who the fuck doesn’t like fried chicken and watermelon?! It’s like making fun of someone for liking sunshine and the ability to breathe. Not that I needed another reason to point at racists and call them a bunch of fucked up morons, but goddamn they are bunch of fucked up morons.

[–] memfree@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Came here to say that. Barring a few contrarians, EVERYONE likes both watermelon and fried chicken. I know vegetarians who will admit that fried chicken tastes fantastic, even if they no longer eat it.

I also wanted to link to some info about the "Coon Chicken Inn" chain -- founded by a white guy, of course.

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off topic piece on collectors' racist items

[–] pigup@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

He has blue eyes, confirming a depiction of a white man in black face, as opposed to a racist caricature of black people. 😠

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

It’s like making fun of someone for liking sunshine

At the risk of completely derailing the conversation, I've met a lot of people in the PNW who don't like warm weather or sunshine. When summer rolls around they start complaining about it being too sunny and want the grey skies back. Frickin weirdos!

[–] Soggy@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

PNW weirdo here. I like things to be green and alive, I like my skin unburned, and I like being able to poke around tide pools on a lonely beach. Clouds and rain help all of that.

It's currently sunny and about 77°F, which is about as warm as I want it unless I'm going swimming. Late summer when it approaches 100° is miserable, but for now the bright weather is fine and good for the plants.

[–] snooggums@midwest.social -1 points 2 months ago

Fried chicken and watermelon is still used to mock black people as well. There were racist memes about Obama eating fried chicken and watermelon.

[–] magnetosphere@fedia.io 1 points 2 months ago

If I recall correctly, some states even had laws against black people raising animals like cows (and maybe pigs too?), so chickens were their only option.