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[–] Empricorn@feddit.nl 63 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Sure. He's white, straight, and male, to balance out the ticket for racists/sexists/homophobes. Package him, ship him out, and let's defeat Trump and Project 2025!

[–] RedAggroBest@lemmy.world 72 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Also astronaut, veteran, and fairly progressive.

[–] Hikermick@lemmy.world 38 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] Botzo@lemmy.world 24 points 4 months ago (1 children)

And married to a victim of an assassination attempt.

[–] Akasazh@feddit.nl 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I fall to see the relevance.. can someone enlighten me?

[–] FinishingDutch@lemmy.world 18 points 4 months ago (1 children)

He stood by his wife, then-US Representative Gabby Giffords, after she was shot in the head during a 2011 assassination attempt.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Tucson_shooting

Basically, he also gets points for just being a good husband.

[–] Akasazh@feddit.nl 2 points 4 months ago
[–] Dasus@lemmy.world 8 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Could you shortly define "fairly progressive" in this context for a non-American? (Nordic, specifically.)

[–] EnderMB@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

Likely more to the right than center, as many Democrats would be outside of America.

[–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Don't ask lemmings to define people's progressive cred rofl

Literally nobody is left wing. It's a pure, unattainable ideal, untainted by mortals and their worldly failings.

[–] Dasus@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

I was more interested in how he replies than the actual answer.

Sort of making them confront their own statements.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

He's a pair of wraparound sunglasses and a selfie in a truck away from looking like a lot of Trump's base. That sort of thing helps because we should not assume ~~voters~~ humans are rational.

[–] Wes4Humanity@lemm.ee 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Trump's base is voting for Trump... Going after them even a little is a waste of everyone's time, energy, and money.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Yes, but if people adjacent to Trump's base see themselves on the Democratic ticket they'll be less likely be alienated from the party.

I've lived in Trump country. For every Red Hat there's five or six undecided guys who work/drink with them. If they see a guy who could also be pounding Rolling Rocks with them on the Democratic ticket it will help a little bit. And when there's 10,000 votes between us and fascism we need all the help we can get.

To repeat: Stop assuming humans will be rational.

[–] Wes4Humanity@lemm.ee 1 points 4 months ago

So, first of all, I don't think ANYONE assumes magas will be rational.

Second, at least half of Republicans are magas at this point, probably more. So it's more like for every red hat there's 1 that might be on the fence, but very few of them would vote blue. But the Dems spend a shit ton of time and money trying to sway them... Mostly without success. Meanwhile millennials and zoomers are overwhelmingly progressive, and now make up about half the voters in the country. They aren't on the fence between Trump and not Trump, they're on the fence between voting Dem or not showing up (or voting 3rd party, which is the same as not showing up). All they need to show up and vote is for someone who actually represents them to run... Someone they can vote FOR. Dems are by and large almost there... They've already got the social stuff, they just need to embrace progressive economics, and they'll never lose again. People who are undecided between fascism and not fascism are not people who's votes we need anymore... They can slowly become irrelevant as the boomers die and life gets better under progressive policies.

[–] Wes4Humanity@lemm.ee -4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Right?! How about instead of "balancing" the ticket for bigots on the right, we balance it for progressives on the left?!

Oh but the left never votes and the center right always does... Yeah, because the center right always has at least 2 candidates to choose from while the left has none.

[–] Empricorn@feddit.nl 5 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Believe me, I agree with you; I wish I had a true Progressive to vote for this November! By the way, we're not really balancing the ticket for right-wingers, it's more courting undecided voters, whether they be left, center, or right. Like it or not, the swing states will decide this election. And we can't let Donald Trump and Project 2025 win, there's too much at stake.

Please vote, volunteer, and donate for Kamala Harris. When she's president, turn that attention to getting progressives elected. Showing the American people an improvement in their lives is the only way to avoid these narrow 50/50 splits between good and bad candidates as we reform and improve things...

[–] Wes4Humanity@lemm.ee -1 points 4 months ago

I don't believe there are that many undecided voters in the center... The "undecided" voters are all on the far left... And they're deciding whether to show up, or not show up at all. Going after them by showing that the Dems will actually be fighting for them (against the oligarchy) is the smart move. The center is already decided.

However, I am open to the possibility that what's true on a national level might not necessarily be true in the swing states... So if anyone has any studies comparing the center undecided with the left undecided in the swing states, I'd love to see it