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WASHINGTON — Last night, President Biden signed the FY25 National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) into law, which includes a provision inserted by Speaker Mike Johnson blocking healthcare for the transgender children of military servicemembers. This provision, the first anti-LGBTQ+ federal law enacted since the Defense of Marriage Act in 1996, will rip medically necessary care from the transgender children of thousands of military families – families who make incredible sacrifices in defense of the country each and every day. The last anti-LGBTQ+ federal law that explicitly targeted military servicemembers was Don’t Ask Don’t Tell, which went into effect in 1994.

Biden's press release:

No service member should have to decide between their family’s health care access and their call to serve our Nation.

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[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Oh no, not a bad headline! Think of what that would do to Biden's reelection chances! 🙄

Do not obey in advance. Democrats, by giving ground here, are laying the groundwork for much worse things that Republicans are going to be able to do in the future. I'm trans and I'm pretty sure I'm going to fucking die, because Democrats would rather sacrifice me to avoid bad headlines.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world -5 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (3 children)

Ah, the commenter who was dedicated to the loss of the Dems at all costs is now giving advice to the Democratic Party, how wonderful. And blaming the GOP administration that may very well kill her and countless other oppressed demographics, myself included, she helped usher in on the Dems too, how predictable.

By a con­tin­u­ous shift­ing of rhetor­i­cal focus, the Democratic Party is at the same time too strong and too weak, right?

[–] kreskin@lemmy.world 4 points 10 hours ago

I dunno about weak/strong, but disappointing, lazy, unprincipled, corrupt and feckless? yes.

[–] cqst@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

The democratic party is a bourgeoisie party that serves the interests of the ruling class, just like the Republicans. It is irrelevant what you say or do, the outcome of elections is determined by the bourgeoisie of the United States. Democrats have made numerous promises to protect trans people and yet, 121 democrats voted for this bill.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world -3 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

The democratic party is a bourgeoisie party that serves the interests of the ruling class, just like the Republicans. It is irrelevant what you say or do, the outcome of elections is determined by the bourgeoisie of the United States.

Imagine being this desperate to absolve the electorate for voting in fascism.

Democrats have made numerous promises to protect trans people and yet, 121 democrats voted for this bill.

I'm sorry that you have no understanding of how legislature and politics actually function.

[–] cqst@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (1 children)

Imagine being this desperate to absolve the electorate for voting in fascism.

  1. The turnout of this election was 63.9%, meaning around 88084000 people did not vote for either of the two candidates. That is more votes than for Trump or Harris, making "No One" the real winner of the popular vote. The USA bourgeoisie liberal democratic political system cannot garner large support of the population to "legitimize" it through the process of election.

  2. Republican, AND all voters voters consistently ranked the economy as the number one issue to them this election. Voters flock to Trump due to his perceived opposition to the ruling class of the United States, and the injury to their economic conditions under Biden, mainly through inflation. Fascism coats itself in populist rhetoric to the confused but class conscious, proletariat.

https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2024/09/09/issues-and-the-2024-election/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_United_States_presidential_election

I’m sorry that you have no understanding of how legislature and politics actually function.

Democrats control the Senate, and The Presidency. The house has one of the most razor thin majorities in US history. There is simply no world where this bill passed if the Democrats didn't support it.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world -2 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

The turnout of this election was 63.9%, meaning around 8808400000 people did not vote for either of the two candidates. That is more votes than for Trump or Kamala, making “No One” the real winner of the popular vote. The USA bourgeoisie liberal democratic political system cannot garner large support of the population to “legitimize” it through the process of election.

Spoken like someone who believes that 99.99% turnout and approval is how societies actually function, like the DPRK claims.

Republican, AND all voters voters consistently ranked the economy as the number one issue to them this election. Voters flock to Trump due to his perceived opposition to the ruling class of the United States, and the injury to their economic conditions under Biden, mainly through inflation. Fascism coats itself in populist rhetoric to the confused but class conscious, proletariat.

Have you ever spoken to a fucking Republican in your life?

Have you ever spoken to an average voter in your life?

'Economy' is a buzzword to them.

Democrats control the Senate, and The Presidency. The house has one of the most razor thin majorities in US history. There is no simply world where this bill did not pass if the Democrats didn’t support it.

Thank you for reinforcing my point. Viewing politics as a series of isolated incidents performed for an audience of completely reasonable voters is utterly absurd, even in an ideal hypothetical situation, much less the current US.

[–] cqst@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 18 hours ago

Spoken like someone who believes that 99.99% turnout and approval is how societies actually function, like the DPRK claims.

It is in fact United States liberal democratic theory itself that argues the legitimacy of liberal states occurs through the process of election.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed

-- Declaration of Independence

The DPRK is a bourgeoisie nation-state much like the United States.

‘Economy’ is a buzzword to them.

This mind reading of what Republican or the Average Voter "really believes" provides no value. It was consistently shown both before, and after this election, the main concern of the people of the United States was that of the economy, and the worsening of their material conditions through inflation. It can be seen in the rhetoric of the Republican party, through terms such as "drain the swamp", that the electorate of the United States is voting for a Trump as revenge against some kind of Evil Ruling Elite (The Bourgeoisie), while failing to recognize that Trump and the Republican party is a reactionary bourgeoisie party like the democrats.

Thank you for reinforcing my point. Viewing politics as a series of isolated incidents performed for an audience of completely reasonable voters is utterly absurd, even in an ideal hypothetical situation, much less the current US.

No idea how this is relevant to what I said. The Democratic Party supported this anti-trans bill that will lead to the deaths of transgender people.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 1 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Have you ever spoken to a fucking Republican in your life?

He's having a conversation with you, yes.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world -2 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

He’s having a conversation with you, yes.

That's a definite 'no', then. Unsurprising given your views.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 2 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Republicans support genocide like you have done for a solid year now. Now heap on the "No, YOU support genocide by objecting to genocide" shit like you always do.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world -3 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (1 children)

Now heap on the “No, YOU support genocide by objecting to genocide” shit like you always do.

You support genocide by doing everything you can to support the election of the more genocidal option. Didn't realize "More genocide = bad" was considered a hot take before this election year, but it seems that many online simply have no real sense of morality. But hey, you got your precious Bothsides GOP administration in, so it's a success in the end for you, huh?

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 2 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Ah, the commenter who was dedicated to the loss of the Dems at all costs

You spent the past year saying that about anyone who was in the least upset about genocide.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world -1 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

It's funny, considering that I'm incredibly anti-Israel, I just thought that enabling multiple genocides, like you and your ilk so tirelessly worked for, was not actually a solution to Palestinian genocide. Ridiculous, I know! Surely the genocide of American minorities and of Ukrainians will bring peace to Palestine!

Or have you already moved on to the next talking point as so many of your compatriots have done, of "Well yes, American genocide doesn't help, but it's only fair if Palestine is genocided that American minorities are genocided too!"

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 2 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

It’s funny, considering that I’m incredibly anti-Israel, I just thought that enabling multiple genocides, like you and your ilk so tirelessly worked for,

Criticism of those who supply weapons for genocide is not support for genocide. Criticism of those who throw trans people under the bus is also not support for genocide.

Spending a year shouting abuse at anyone who dares to say that Democrats should not be supporting genocide? That shit right there is support for genocide.

Surely the genocide of American minorities and of Ukrainians will bring peace to Palestine!

We had an election. You can no longer pretend that "We're second worst" is the issue you and the rest of the pro-genocide wing of the second shittiest party spent a year pretending it was. We tried to warn you, and you interpreted being able to see the writing on the wall as trump support from russians.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 0 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Criticism of those who supply weapons for genocide is not support for genocide. Criticism of those who throw trans people under the bus is also not support for genocide.

Spending a year shouting abuse at anyone who dares to say that Democrats should not be supporting genocide? That shit right there is support for genocide.

Good thing I said that Democrats should not be supporting genocide even at the time. But hey, who needs facts when you can engage in delusions to absolve yourself of your guilt? Keep supporting as many genocides as possible, buddy, I'm sure it'll eventually work out and your magic political pendulum will swing the other way.

We had an election. You can no longer pretend that “We’re second worst” is the issue you and the rest of the pro-genocide wing of the second shittiest party spent a year pretending it was. We tried to warn you, and you interpreted being able to see the writing on the wall as trump support from russians.

Tried to warn us of... what? That you were going to do your damndest to ensure the GOP got into power and got to execute all their favorite genocides?

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 2 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (1 children)

Tried to warn us of… what?

That if Democrats continued their support for genocide, they would lose. You just screamed "Russian"! at anyone who dared to say that.

That you were going to do your damndest to ensure the GOP got into power and got to execute all their favorite genocides?

No, genocide loving shit who didn't pressure Democrats to drop support for genocide accomplished that. And good work. You got the only thing you ever wanted: TRUMP.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world -1 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (1 children)

That if Democrats continued their support for genocide, they would lose. You just screamed “Russian”! at anyone who dared to day that.

So you think that the Dem support of Palestinian genocide is what caused the Dem loss this year? This is fascinating. Literally just outright admitting to the "More genocide is Good, Actually" viewpoint.

No, genocide loving shit who didn’t pressure Democrats to drop support for genocide accomplished that. And good work. You got the only thing you ever wanted: TRUMP.

lmao, pure projection. You keep licking GOP boots in service to genocide, though, I know genocide is an addiction that's hard for you to break.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 2 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

So you think that the Dem support of Palestinian genocide is what caused the Dem loss this year? This is fascinating.

It was one of a number of factors.

Do you suppose they lost because they didn't sell enough weapons to your favorite person for your favorite activity?

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world -2 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

It was one of a number of factors.

Nice backpedal, lmao.

Do you suppose they lost because they didn’t sell enough weapons to your favorite person for your favorite activity?

Nowhere have I said anything even vaguely resembling that, but I guess that your list of talking points isn't all that great at addressing people with actual political views.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 2 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

your list of talking points

This is a shill accusation.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world -2 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

This is a shill accusation.

It's an accusation that all you have are canned talking points with no relevance to the actual person you're claiming to argue with. Like those GOP voters who waddle into their polling place with a handy pamphlet telling them who and what to vote for - it's not that they're shills. It's that they have no understanding of politics and utterly lack imagination, relying instead on repetitive tribalist bullshit to engage, for what little that's worth, in the civic process.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 2 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

It’s an accusation that all you have are canned talking points with no relevance

No, it was a shill accusation. I will not continue this conversation any further.