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Luigi Mangione shouts a message to the American people on his way to court:

“This is completely unjust and an insult to the intelligence of the American people and their lived experience.”

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[–] GelatinGeorge@lemmy.world 54 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Yeah, I'm already extremely suspicious at the convenience of his arrest, given that there has to be a repercussion shown to the 'plebs' - can't have them getting ideas now about the ease with which they could depose their ruling oligarchs and actually get away with it.

I didn't know about those details regarding the evidence being planted, so his statement makes much more sense with that context, thank you.

[–] Xanis@lemmy.world 36 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I was suspicious the instant they called out the 3D printed "ghost gun". While certainly possible, it was waaay too convenient an excuse given how that may have swung some opinions about gun safety and control. Now they're rushing this.

Keep an eye out for thinly veiled attempts at obfuscation.

[–] Karyoplasma@discuss.tchncs.de 13 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

The "3D printed gun" trope was taken back I think. They now claim that he only 3D printed the silencer. Some gun lobbyist probably donated a wad of cash.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 20 points 1 week ago (1 children)

They now claim that he only 3D printed the silencer.

It's shit like this that reminds me how stupid cops are...

You can't "3d print a silencer" it would just explode from the pressure.

[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I still remember when they tried to claim a plastic bag seen on footage of Rittenhouse was a "makeshift molotov cocktail"

  1. A Molotov Cocktail is already a makeshift weapon, that's the point, the poor will always have access to alcohol and fire so it's the one weapon the state cannot take from you.

  2. A plastic bag would make for a terrible molotov considering it can't be thrown far and would just burn up in your hands if you tried.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago

A plastic bag would make for a terrible molotov considering

Gasoline melts plastic and would eat thru the bag...

[–] peopleproblems@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)

That wasn't a 3D printed silencer in the video.

If it was, that material is way stronger than anything I've worked with.

[–] EldritchFeminity@lemmy.blahaj.zone -5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Nowadays, you can print guns out of basic PLA. At least in .22 caliber, I don't know about anything larger, though I do know 3d printed Glock frames are definitely a thing. A 3d printed suppressor is definitely feasible, as I've seen at least 1 design for PETG.

Now, as to whether or not that's what can be seen in the video? Who knows. I certainly can't tell.

[–] Xanis@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

So I'm not into firearms. Guns aren't reaaally my thing. However, I imagine with quality material you need a larger silencer for a larger caliber, or a modified design to rapidly reduce pressure. It stands to reason then that with a design less capable of withstanding that pressure, you must then compensate with a larger design even at lower calibers. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, though this then stands to reason that even a .22 would need a much larger design, or a modified design which would by nature increase noise via gas release.

That said, a silencer doesn't silence, it reduces. If he was as prepared as we think he was, he'd know that.

AFAIK, a silencer is essentially a double-walled tin-can filled with some form of metal mesh or other way to divert and slow down the gases (like baffles or valves) between the walls and holes to allow gas into that space.

I think you're right on needing a larger design, as I remember the one I saw had pretty thick walls and was a single piece design meant for printing in PETG, but I think heat is more of a concern rather than pressure, because you still want the gas to exit the front of the gun, you just want it to take longer to do so by traveling through more space before exiting the barrel. The one I saw looked larger than what I would expect a silencer to be, but probably only by about 50%, and I believe it was designed for an AR-15, which is usually chambered in 5.56, which is a projectile that's just a tiny bit wider than a .22, but has more gunpowder in a longer casing for a faster projectile. I believe the Mythbusters back in the day did an episode where they proved that even something like a potato or a pillow does work as a silencer for a pistol, if only for one shot.

I believe that glocks are usually chambered for 9mm, which is a bigger bullet but has a comparatively small amount of gunpowder for the size, and if he was using subsonic ammo, that would reduce the gunpowder even more. If that's what he was using, it would stand to reason that he wouldn't need as sturdy a silencer for the gun (and would also explain why he had to manually cycle the gun after each shot as there probably wasn't enough pressure to fully cycle the gun normally). But it's all conjecture anyway on whether or not he actually 3d printed a silencer because it's too hard to tell from the footage that we have without knowing specific 3d printed silencer designs that it could be.

[–] Gork@lemm.ee 8 points 1 week ago

Whatever happened to it being a Welrod?

Goddess these news outlets don't know shit when they publish shit.

[–] CarbonIceDragon@pawb.social 20 points 1 week ago (1 children)

To be fair, I'm not sure if "just arrest anyone convenient and frame them", is entirely in the wealthy's interest here. Making an example is one thing, sure, but if you do that and dont get the guy that actually did it, then you have a guy out there who has proven themselves willing to go out and assassinate CEOs, who may well decide to do it again. If you do have the means to catch that guy, then what motivation is there to not just send him through the court system rather than framing someone else? Less risk of a frame up being discovered and sparking even more resentment if you have at least some genuine evidence, after all.

[–] OfCourseNot@fedia.io 11 points 1 week ago

Could be both. They may know he is the guy, but they might not be able to say how they know it and by what means (extreme surveillance..) so they just frame him.