All the lefties I know were excited about rojava/ aanes. I've never met a lefty in real life that was pro assad, not saying they don't exist, but like: fuck em, assad sucked.

[–] dandelion@lemmy.blahaj.zone 66 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

I think the "left" they are talking about are more like tankies or at least socialists who lean towards authoritarianism.

I know some people in my local DSA who uncritically support the idea that Russia is incapable of imperialism and who probably would have supported Assad because they were an ally of Russia.

[–] laurelraven@lemmy.zip 7 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I know this probably comes across as "no true Scotsman", but I have a really hard time believing anyone who legitimately holds those views can also be socialist

[–] dandelion@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

It doesn't for me, I personally think authoritarianism is a contradiction of "leftist" values.

It's like "cultural feminism" which espouses the supremacy of women over men - if you aren't advocating for the equality of the sexes, you aren't really a feminist. :-/

[–] laurelraven@lemmy.zip 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I mean, I'm not disagreeing, that's what I'm saying I trouble believing, a "socialist" authoritarian.

And like you, I don't really get how leftist values are remotely compatible with authoritarianism.

[–] dandelion@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 3 weeks ago

A common starting place for trying to understand it would be reading: https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1872/10/authority.htm

I'm not convinced by his argument, but it's commonly pointed to and worth being familiar with.

Either way, "left communism" ftw.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 25 points 3 weeks ago

Yeah, fuck 'em. This poor fellow is from Twitter, and unfortunately, there are definitely a bunch of brainrotted self-proclaimed 'leftists' there mourning Assad's fall and calling Rojava a CIA plot even now.

I hope Rojava prevails and perseveres.

[–] pkill@programming.dev 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Yes and now probably Rojava is going to get slaughtered by Erdogan

[–] Glemek@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago

I'm not sure what your point is? Assad wasn't really stopping that, given that it seems turkey backed some militias that were able to mop him up in like a week with a surprise offensive.

Turkey has already been waging war against rojava for years now, and has been perpetrating a genocide against the kurds more broadly for decades. Their situation has always been dire, but its not over for them.