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[โ€“] drolex@sopuli.xyz 22 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (6 children)

Ukraine has signed the Ottawa treaty that prohibits the use of mines. What consequences will that have on Ukraine and on the compliance of this kind of treaties by other signing countries?

(Of course Russia and the US, being the large piles of shit they are regarding weapons industry, haven't signed the treaty).

[โ€“] Quacksalber@sh.itjust.works 18 points 1 month ago

Russia has shown that it breaks treaties whenever it sees fit. If Ukraine is to supposed to respect treaties, it needs to be supported to such an extend that it sees no need to break them.

[โ€“] 0x815 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Why is it that some people frequently say something that Ukraine has 'signed treaties', or 'the West must not cross red lines' ...

All this without naming the aggressor in this war which is Russia. Russia permanently violates airspace of Poland, Romania, Moldova. Russia deploys sabotage activities in multiple countries across Europe, in the North Sea, the Baltic Sea, espionage activities in the Irish Sea. Russia gets decisive support by China in its war in Ukraine. North Korea is sending troops. Iran has been sending drones.

What consequences should that have on the compliance of treaties by countries, @drolex@sopuli.xyz?

[โ€“] sabreW4K3@lazysoci.al 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

So because Russia doesn't play by the rules, no one else should?

[โ€“] Doom@ttrpg.network 1 points 1 month ago
[โ€“] ShadowRam@fedia.io 4 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Yeah, that was my thought too...

If they want to defend their country, even in victory... years of farmers and their families getting maimed and killed.

[โ€“] Successful_Try543 14 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Proper mines destroy themselves after a fixed period of time.

[โ€“] ShadowRam@fedia.io 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

perhaps.. someone said a 'battery' runs out...

I'm assuming they are loaded with high-order explosive, so a random foot or cultivating machine 'shouldn't' set it off..

Still I'd be hesitant,

even their own troops could walk into it by accident,

[โ€“] Successful_Try543 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I only know of the AT2 anti vehicle mines from Bundeswehr. They disarm after an adjustable period of time, between 3 and 96 hours, by self detonation.

[โ€“] Deceptichum@quokk.au 5 points 1 month ago

Sadly the better option than genocide.

[โ€“] pastermil@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 month ago

Well, if they don't get that victory, they won't have to worry about those farmers...

[โ€“] Kissaki 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

For example, US allies Ukraine and Finland have recently signaled they might withdraw from the treaty out of military necessity.

src (2014)

They say it's a matter of necessity. And it seems withdrawal from the treaty is an option.

/edit: Another source from Wikipedia:

Russian forces have widely utilized antipersonnel mines since their full invasion of Ukraine commenced on February 24, 2022.

The Monitor also reports the use of antipersonnel mines by Ukrainian government forces in and around the city of Izium in 2022 when the city was under Russian control. Ukraine is bound by the Mine Ban Treaty.

They've already been using them.