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And how is EU going to do that? Besides, EU could provide enough weapons and munition to Ukraine, drop stupid restrictions on their use, instead of whining.
Likely economically. Currently China will be wary of USA sanctions on trump and Russia having favour from trump. They won’t want to be on the outside o while their economy is already slowing down.
Perhaps, but OTOH EU might be more dependant on China than the other way round. Either way tariffs and similar aren't a good prospect for either block. The same goes for USA, of course.
Yes, nobody wants tariffs, but China is already facing them from USA, so they are more at risk.bthe EU won't want retaliation from China but they also don't want Russia to continue to affect their economy and stability. China would have to choose and they would choose Europe as they are not natural allies with Russia anyway, and Russia won't buy much off them. China needs huge amounts of resources, some of which Russia has, but they are moving away from fossil fuels faster than europe and USA and Russia.
China and Russia are not natural allies. Russia is very much afraid of China taking land in the Far East.
Yes, when China first started supporting Russia, much commentary noted that and made the point that Russia was desperate for allies and products and China anted to increase influence, so could use the increased relationship to their advantage to exert control over Russia, through the use of financial tools.
It's not because they're "natural allies", is to disincentivize trade with Russia and therefore propping them up.
Well, by doing what you said 😁 and producing more weaponry and sending it to ukraine, training ukrainian soldiers, techies, pilots, ... There are tons of things that can be done and Kallas wants us to do it which is great IMO.
The EU dwarfs russia, we just have to do it.
Yes, agree, but after two years of warfare I don't have a feeling that EU is really committed to the cause, but rather navigating a weak support to Ukraine. If that was the case, EU would be producing much more munitions and weapons 🤷♂️
Europe sure is slow to wake up, maybe we have been sleeping so hard since WW2 that it will take some energy to get us going again. If you look at history, I think Europe is the last place anyone wants to awaken but here we are...