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There was barely the pretense of a primary anyway, no one serious ran against Biden and there weren't debates and anyone who voted against Biden was screamed at by the entire rest of the Party. People are already pretty mad about that, and then being told "vote for this nursing home patient or the government will kill you" isn't making it better.
Who announced their intention to run against Biden and got screamed at by the entire party that was actually a serious contender? We had one no-chance tepid foot put forward. That’s it. I bet you can’t even name them without looking it up.
You’re just making shit up now.
Not what I said. I said anyone who voted against Biden got screamed at. Did you forget?
Then I misread it, my mistake.
Either way, nobody ran against him except one small timer who had no shot. If you had given me an alternative then id have taken it. The people who voted against him didn’t vote for another candidate. It was signaling displeasure/disagreement/anger over Israel-Palestine, and the discussion around that was far more nuanced than you are implying. Plenty of people said “it’s the primary, this is the time to make your real opinion heard” when folks got upset. Unless you think CNN or whatever represents everyone?
There was never and there continues not to be a challenger. At some point you can’t ask people to vote for an alternative when there is no alternative being offered.
They voted for "anyone else" and that matters.
There isn't a challenger because the Party doesn't want there to be one. There's no alternative being offered, that can be changed.
I'm going to keep posting this because it's so interesting, I heard an interesting idea on DemocracyNow
We could find out who the challenger would be by having a democratic and involved party, instead of just waiting for a top-down demand to vote for Harris or whatever.
Yes it matters, as a protest about Israel-Palestine, which I explicitly addressed. Surely you can understand that that is not the same as voting for another candidate? It’s a protest vote, not a vote for or against a candidate. They used the primary as a way to signal their feelings on an issue.
Beyond that: Saying “I just want someone else” is meaningless. Everybody says that across both parties year after year. The moment you put a name forward, then the responses actually matter.
Biden is the most Zionist Democrat in the field. Voting another candidate, inherently, means voting for someone less supportive of Israel
And it doesn't fucking matter what name I put forward, I'm not the one in charge of the party. Names can come forward naturally and democratically as part of a condensed nominating process.
I, personally, think Michelle Obama would do well and could be a good President. I don't like Kamala Harris but she has a lot of advantages and I guess I could vote for her.
But what I want are candidates to present themselves and make their case, not for them to be hand picked. Democracy.
That's not my fucking job.
That's theirs and they should fucking do it.
So unilaterally picking someone else will make it.. better?
Biden is behind Trump in gd New Jersey, which has been a democratic stronghold since 1988. Biden is unfit for office now and he's only getting older! How much worse will he be by the next debate? Or by the election? Will he even make it to November??
So what do you do?
You advocate for replacing him at the convention.
With whom? How do you select this person?
I heard an interesting idea on DemocracyNow
But as for what I am going to do? I'm going to keep screaming at them to do their fucking jobs!
Replacing nationwide primaries with a private 400-person schmoozefest at the last minute is moving in the wrong direction.
Trump winning is the wrong direction. What can actually prevent that is replacing Biden.
If you don't like replacing him at the convention, how about a single nationwide mail-in primary ballot?
There's options! There's still time!
Primaries are held by the states, before the Convention. It's.. kind of the whole point?
The point is to give voters a ~~change~~ (EDIT Er, a chance, not change lol) to express their preferences before the Convention. The primaries aren't legally binding, they're just a fancy opinion poll.
A mail-in ballot fulfills the same function.
It sounds like you are advocating for primaries.
I'm advocating for replacing Biden by any means necessary. I think a condensed super-primary would be the best way to do it, but I'm not opposed to him being replaced at the Convention either.
There was a full primary in 2020 and in modern times incumbent presidents don’t have primaries in their second terms.
The great thing about a lemmy.ml comment is I can just down vote without reading because I know its bullshit.
It's like I'm back on Reddit 😂