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“It should come as no great surprise that a Democratic Party which has abandoned working class people would find that the working class has abandoned them,” Sanders said.

“First, it was the white working class, and now it is Latino and Black workers as well. While the Democratic leadership defends the status quo, the American people are angry and want change. And they’re right.”

“Will the big money interests and well-paid consultants who control the Democratic Party learn any real lessons from this disastrous campaign?” Sanders asked.

“Will they understand the pain and political alienation that tens of millions of Americans are experiencing? Do they have any ideas as to how we can take on the increasingly powerful Oligarchy which has so much economic and political power? Probably not.”

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[–] UsernameHere@lemmy.world 62 points 6 hours ago (5 children)

I don’t buy this. In Nebraska there was an election between an independent union leader and a career politician. The union leader lost.

The consensus seems to be that people that voted democrat in 2020 voted republican this time because they experienced inflation under Biden that think it was his fault.

[–] sigmaklimgrindset@sopuli.xyz 10 points 3 hours ago

The consensus seems to be that people that voted democrat in 2020 voted republican this time because they experienced inflation under Biden that think it was his fault.

What consensus is saying this? Outside of Latino men and first time voters shifting to Trump, most analysis (so far) is that the Democrats lost around 10-15 million votes from 2020, compared to Trump losing only 2 million. If all the Dems/Undecideds moved to Trump, he would have not lost voters.

What was the Red vs Blue turnout in Nebraska in 2020 vs 2024, I bet that would go a long way to explain why the union leader lost.

[–] 14th_cylon@lemm.ee 12 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

because they experienced inflation under Biden that think it was his fault.

yeah, that's problem all around the world, people are too dumb to understand how two years of covid and ongoing war in europe affects our lives and demand that someone just takes care of it.

so in a year we will get populist pro-russian billionaire prime minister who will just start dropping more inflation money around and tells people "see? i will take care of you!" (while stealing some of these money for himself, of course)

[–] Bookmeat@lemmy.world 3 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

And Harris was too stupid to just come out and say that she'd do that. Not Trump though. See that huge sign behind him at rallies? "Trump will fix it".

The dem strategy should have been to bombast like Trump, but more. Make America greatER. Would have really taken the wind or of his sails, IMO.

[–] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 31 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

In Nebraska

Uh, that's your answer. It's not a magic incantation to win regardless of the odds, but in a presidential election that's by default 50/50?

[–] UsernameHere@lemmy.world 13 points 5 hours ago (3 children)

If the problem was that democrats did not support the working class enough then why didn’t the union leader win? This isn’t magic or rocket science. Many people thought democrats were responsible for the high inflation because they don’t know macro economics.

[–] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 5 points 2 hours ago

It’s not a magic incantation to win regardless of the odds

Sorry, I guess I should have said this twice. You don't win Nebraska just by touching up the progressive message a little. Propaganda still exists, party loyalty still exists, racism still exists. But he did a hell of a lot better than any slow and steady liberal candidate would do. And in races that aren't in deep red states, doing better is enough to win.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 9 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

If the problem was that democrats did not support the working class enough then why didn’t the union leader win?

He had the albatross of a poor up-ballot candidate around his neck. Same reason most Democrats lost: The party didn't get people to go out and vote because they didn't appeal to workers, which hurt every candidate that wasn't Republican.

[–] UsernameHere@lemmy.world -1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Voters are literally saying it was because of inflation during Biden presidency.

Democrats lost because they planned to tax the billionaire class so the billionaires funded the campaign against them.

[–] Bookmeat@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Except Democrats outspent Republicans by a large margin. This wasn't an election lost from a lack of donations.

[–] UsernameHere@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago

Donations are on the books. Things like Elon Musk buying votes are not on the books. The billionaire class did not want Harris to tax them.

[–] vmaziman@lemm.ee 14 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

I think what’s missing is the anger. Trump can tap into anger. Bernie could also. The independent didn’t have the base of anger that the GOP did

[–] UsernameHere@lemmy.world 2 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Anger definitely motivated some but I know many moderates that were convinced democrats were responsible for the inflation.

[–] vmaziman@lemm.ee 8 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (1 children)

But they were right! Dems did contribute to inflation (not as much as Trump but still)…Student loan forgiveness not explicitly tied to higher taxes on rich and corps, cutting back on subsidies to defense, oil, and corn syrup, while also not breaking up monopolies which create an environment of price gouging gave merit to the “democrats give out free cash and devalue it all”

Democrats did cause inflation. They did it by not clipping the wings of our oligarchs when supplying aid.

Biden kept his promise “nothing will fundamentally change” and the American electorate unimpeachably rejected it.

The main thing with Sanders campaign was it didn’t feel like a “democrats” vs “republicans”

It was us vs the billionaires

But the DNC could never bear to alienate their biggest donors.

[–] UsernameHere@lemmy.world -1 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

Biden was calling out price gouging throughout his whole presidency.

Harris lost this election because she said she was going to tax the billionaires and so they funded the campaign against her.

For you to throw her under the bus after the billionaires campaigned against her is just going to ensure no future politicians will challenge the billionaire class again.

[–] orcrist@lemm.ee 0 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

First of all, it is hard to beat career politicians. They have a track record, experience. Second, you're in Nebraska. Third, and most importantly, the goal is not for a single person to win, but to build a strong organization that will make people's lives better, and that would over time get more people to vote, because they would understand that it matters.

In other words, big corporate Democrats are mediocre at best, and often much worse than that, so of course people stay home. But if you think they're the wave of the future, hey, do whatever you like.

[–] UsernameHere@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago

First of all, it is hard to beat career politicians.

This counters what Bernie said.

Second, you're in Nebraska.

I’m not in Nebraska. Just giving one of many examples of politicians that support the working class losing because of the billionaire class.

Third, and most importantly, the goal is not for a single person to win, but to build a strong organization that will make people's lives better, and that would over time get more people to vote, because they would understand that it matters.

Scapegoating the democrats that tried to tax the billionaire class prevents this from happening.

But if you think they're the wave of the future, hey, do whatever you like.

I don’t think they’re the wave of the future. I think the billionaire class countered Harris because they didn’t want to be taxed like she laid out in her plans and now people are trying to scapegoat them, ensuring it will be less likely that the next person will try it again. Just like the billionaire class wants.

[–] linearchaos@lemmy.world 0 points 4 hours ago

don't worry, we'll replay that record again in a year while they blame biden again