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[–] alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

I guess it’s easier to avoid speculation as to why we all can’t win.

We literally cannot all win, we have mutually exclusive interests. When you appeal to racists, you lose anyone who is or cares for immigrants. When you appeal to the capitalist class, you throw out the workers.

After throwing out the entire base to go after "moderate republicans", 5% of Democrat voters were registered republicans. That's down from 6% in 2020.

Did you envision a worse outcome than the one we got?

That remains to be seen. Currently we're at the part where dems call black people, latinos, and the left racist, homophobic misogynists for not having higher turnout, and ignore white men and women who voted Trump. The outcome I envision will be the dems internalizing that and doing the same thing again in 2026 and 2028, preventing any electoral solution to the rise of fascism.

too many leftists and progressives seemed comfortable with flirting with disaster

Leftists had no power to affect the outcome of the election. When they tell you that what the dems are doing is a losing strategy, they're not saying they, personally, are going to cause the dems to lose, they're observing that what the dems are doing will cause them to lose.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

When you appeal to racists, you lose anyone who is or cares for immigrants. When you appeal to the capitalist class, you throw out the workers.

Yeah, but they wanna!