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[–] surph_ninja@lemmy.world -2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Would you believe I was trying to stop a mass shooter, if I was in the middle of helping them reload and purchasing more ammo?

[–] ToastedPlanet@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Kamala is running for president not Biden, so your argument poses a false equivalence.

[–] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Not when she has declared her intent to continue the current admin’s policy.

[–] ToastedPlanet@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] surph_ninja@lemmy.world -2 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] ToastedPlanet@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Saying the genocide should end and that Israel has a right to defend itself aren't mutual exclusive statements. The fact Israel's government is committing genocide does not mean Israel's citizens, many of whom are Palestinian, deserve genocide. The fact Hamas kills civilians does not justify the IDF killing civilians. Two wrongs do not make a right. edit: typo

Turning back to the students, Harris acknowledged his claims, saying that “what he’s talking about, it’s real. That’s not the subject that I came to discuss today, but it’s real and I respect his voice.”

This is from the second source in your argument. She acknowledges what is happening even if she isn't in a position to call it a genocide politically. Your argument is splitting hairs about semantics.

Repeating her call for a ceasefire, she said that she hoped the killing of Hamas leader Yahya Sinwar would present an opportunity to end the war.

Another call for a ceasefire.

She’s also still repeating the debunked Oct 7th rape claims, and more.

Your argument is repeating debunked claims. There were some false claims, but those have been used to incorrectly dispute what happened at large.

https://perma.cc/6QPV-3NKL

In the context of the coordinated attack by Hamas and other armed groups against civilian and military targets throughout the Gaza periphery, the mission team found that there are reasonable grounds to believe that conflict-related sexual violence occurred in multiple locations during the 7 October attacks, including rape and gang-rape in at least three locations, namely: the Nova music festival site and its surroundings, Road 232, and Kibbutz Re’im. In most of these incidents, victims first subjected to rape were then killed, and at least two incidents relate to the rape of women’s corpses.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/how-2-debunked-accounts-of-sexual-violence-on-oct-7-fueled-a-global-dispute-over-israel-hamas-war

The U.N. team investigating sexual violence said it saw “credible circumstantial information which may be indicative of some forms of sexual violence, including genital mutilation, sexualized torture or cruel, inhuman and degrading treatment.”

Hamas is bad. The IDF is bad.

https://www.snopes.com/news/2024/06/20/un-evidence-sexual-violence-hamas/

The commission also found that Israeli forces in Gaza had committed sexualized and gender-based violence during their military campaign, targeting men and boys in particular.