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[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 197 points 3 days ago (8 children)

It's not so alarming what will happen if Trump gets elected

What's more alarming for me is how dumb America could be that they are even considering electing someone like him ... or to even have a choice between an average politician or a wannabe fascist and everyone is having a hard time deciding on what the sane option is.

This is a general intelligence test for America ... and so far they are failing.

[–] brey1013@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

The test was failed many many years ago.

[–] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 102 points 3 days ago (4 children)

To be fair, a lot of people believe that choosing neither somehow would absolve them of any guilt should fascism win.

[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 51 points 3 days ago (1 children)

This is what I mean .... the choice is either an average politician or an old wing nut orange man ... but the choices are so difficult for Americans to decide that many choose neither and never think that they are instead paving the way for the wannabe fascist.

I can't believe that the fate of the world hinges on the deranged decisions of a completely confused people. As much as I don't want to admit that America has so much influence, they do have literal control over much of the world and they do have the largest most powerful military at the moment. So whoever gets to be leader will set the stage for the stability or instability of the world in the next few years. And it's all riding on ill informed choices of a very ill informed population.

[–] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 32 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

It's absurd how much power the executive has. The president shouldn't matter that much. They are responsible for implementing laws that are written and passed by congress. That's pretty much it. Maybe appoint a SCOTUS judge or two. And a bunch of lower court judges. Pending senate approval, of course.

Instead they are now nearly unilaterally in charge of the strongest military and largest economy the world has ever seen. Or at least they will, if Project 2025 or Agenda 47 is to be followed.

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 31 points 3 days ago

don't forget the christian second coming accelerationist folk who just want to see it all burn because they're embarrassed they've fucked up too many predictions.

[–] Psaldorn@lemmy.world 9 points 3 days ago

They wish to literally embody the "all it takes for evil to prosper.." axiom

[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

This is a general intelligence test for America … and so far they are failing.

It's not.

Most voters aren't "stupid," they just live in completely different information universes.

This has always been the case in America, but I feel like it's never been so severe, with people basically having their minds sucked into phones by design.

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 15 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

My parents have been brainwashed into not believing any news that shows Trump in a bad light. When I show them video of one of his rants, or his dancing, or him giving a microphone a happy ending, they think I'm gullible and am falling for doctored video.

When people have been trained not to trust legitimate news sources, it's really, really hard to convince them to come back to reality because, in their eyes, we're the brainwashed ones.

[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Yep.

I feel like information hygiene should be a mandatory part of school curriculum now. Like not just a small part, but hammered in.

It's too late for our parents I guess, unless either party feels like regulating big tech...

[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Though as an addendum, my mom grew up Republican, but doesn't know how to use Facebook or anything, and she hates Donald Trump with a burning passion. Its kind of hilarious. She would literally, actually vote for Hitler over him, as his personality is so fundamentally incompatible with her, lol.

I mention that, as it feels like a test case for someone that hasn't been conditioned to view him as a superhero or whatever.

[–] kreskin@lemmy.world -1 points 1 day ago

Disagree. Americans are too comfortable to do much of anything for themselves. The rise of centrism is basically being OK with whatever, and calling that clever.

[–] cmoney@lemmy.world 20 points 3 days ago

One party in particular has gone to great lengths to wreck the education system, looks like we are starting to see the results of those efforts.

[–] lectricleopard@lemmy.world 13 points 3 days ago

The culture of America is rooted in bigoted populism. You know what the big political issue of the 1850s was? 1870's? 1920's? 1960's?

It's the aftermath of the 60s that kept the creeps quiet for awhile, but we're regressing to the mean now. This is the real America for better or worse. Always has been.

[–] jaggedrobotpubes@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago

Cause vs tipping point.