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Two hours before Donald Trump was set to take the stage at Madison Square Garden in New York City, right-wing comedian Tony Hinchcliffe warmed up the crowd with a shockingly racist performance. 

“Where are my proud Latinos at tonight?” Hinchcliffe asked the packed arena, eliciting scattered loud cheers. “You guys see what I mean? [The border’s] wide open. There’s so many of them.” 

“These Latinos, they love making babies, too,” he added. “There’s no pulling out. They don’t do that. They come inside just like they did to our country.” 

The crowd groaned and cheered as Hinchcliffe continued, saying, “Republicans are the party with a good sense of humor.”

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[–] uberdroog@lemmy.world 38 points 19 hours ago (7 children)

I read that the drop in birth rates is almost 100% attributable to solving teen pregnancy.

[–] zephorah@lemm.ee 3 points 5 hours ago

That’s a problem because not only does it lower the “domestic supply of infants”, it also lowers the number of desperately poor kids who enlist in the military right out of high school to escape poverty and get that “free” education.

The cycle of poor is also one of not golden handcuffs, but nickel ones that turn your skin green. It’s a complacent work force. People who don’t engage political activism, join unions (thinking they can’t afford the monthly fees), and keep their heads down for the sake of feeding their kids.

And most working class people doing better than poverty, with kids, turn their main focus on them, on their households. Again with the complacency and keeping your head down, because you have more to lose.

[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 19 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (1 children)

The more women have equal rights the lower the birthrate

The more accessible contraception is the lower the birthrate

The more educated people are the lower the birthrate

The more accessible abortion is the lower the birthrate

See a pattern here between that and conservative policies? People, no matter where they are on the political spectrum, who talk about the need to increase birthrate need to realize that these things are what they're wishing to see being gone. No matter how easy you make it to have babies, people don't want enough of them if they have access to education and preventive measures, social democracies with very wide safety nets and social programs and long parental leaves don't have a birthrate any higher than the one in the USA (in fact, in some cases it's some of the lowest in the whole world!).

[–] zephorah@lemm.ee 3 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Part of it is just money. The trickle up economics of the last 10 yrs has squeezed the possibility out of the working class.

[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 1 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

That seems true only if you ignore examples from countries where wealth distribution and social mobility is much better or people who have actual wealth.

People in northern Europe don't have more babies even though they have the safety nets, social programs and wealth to have them. Rich people don't have more babies even though they have the means to have them.

People just don't want enough babies to renew the population if they're given the choice and other opportunities, it's that simple.

[–] zephorah@lemm.ee 2 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

I said part. What you say is also true. It’s a multi faceted issue.

Other arguments would be climate change and political unrest/uncertainty.

[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 hours ago

That's the thing though, there's nothing that shows that money is any part of the issue. Heck, poor people have more kids than anyone else.

[–] ryathal@sh.itjust.works 36 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

There's also the well documented effect that more educated people just have less kids in general, and it seems to hold for every country.

[–] qarbone@lemmy.world 3 points 11 hours ago

I imagine the difference is a between "why" and "why not".

A generally educated couple might encounter the question of "Is there I reason why I should have kids?", decide "yes, because I'd like to", and have 1-3 kids. More poorly educated couples encounter the question "is there a reason why I should not have kids?", decide "no", and have 2-3 more.

[–] AFKBRBChocolate@lemmy.world 9 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

Pretty sure the drop in pregnancies under 19 was 50% of the overall drop, not 100%. That's still huge, but it's not the whole story.

[–] wildncrazyguy138@fedia.io 17 points 19 hours ago

And that’s the problem right there. The fewer kids with mommy and daddy issues, the fewer kids these “elders” can “take under their wing.”

[–] capital@lemmy.world 11 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

There’s a worldwide phenomenon of falling birth rates. I doubt it’s even mostly attributable to teen birth rates.

[–] acosmichippo@lemmy.world 7 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

there are lots of reasons that vary country to country but fewer teen pregnancies is a major contributor in the US. linking to this video because the original article has a paywall.

so teen pregnancies are a major factor, but the 20-29 age groups are falling a ton as well.

[–] acosmichippo@lemmy.world 5 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

this video covers falling birthrates globally. the specific timestamp has a handy graph of birthrates per age group. linking the video because the original article has a paywall.

so basically teen pregnancies are a major factor, but the 20-29 age groups are falling a ton as well.