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Is it absurd that the maker of a tech product controls it by writing it a list of plain language guidelines? or am I out of touch?
@fasterandworse @dgerard I mean, it is absurd. But it is how it works: an LLM is a black box from a programming perspective, and you cannot directly control what it will output.
So you resort to pre-weighting certain keywords in the hope that it will nudge the system far enough in your desired direction.
There is no separation between code (what the provider wants it to do) and data (user inputs to operate on) in this application 🥴
That's the standard response from last decade. However, we now have a theory of soft prompting: start with a textual prompt, embed it, and then optimize the embedding with a round of fine-tuning. It would be obvious if OpenAI were using this technique, because we would only recover similar texts instead of verbatim texts when leaking the prompt (unless at zero temperature, perhaps.) This is a good example of how OpenAI's offerings are behind the state of the art.
simply ask the word generator machine to generate better words, smh
this is actually the most laughable/annoying thing to me. it betrays such a comprehensive lack of understanding of what LLMs do and what "prompting" even is. you're not giving instructions to an agent, you are feeding a list of words to prefix to the output of a word predictor
in my personal experiments with offline models, using something like "below is a transcript of a chat log with XYZ" as a prompt instead of "You are XYZ" immediately gives much better results. not good results, but better
it's all so anti-precision
Butterfly man: "Is this recursive self-improvement"
It is absurd. It's just throwing words at it and hoping whatever area of the vector database it starts generating words from makes sense in response.
@fasterandworse @dgerard I am pretty sure I have seen programming the computer in plain English used as a selling point for various products since the 1970s at least
the best part is that most of these products are ex-products
@fasterandworse @dgerard I mean, it's like catnip for the people who control how the company's money is spent
For absurd, I think one would want the LLM's configuration language to be more like INTERCAL; but this may also be more explicit about how your instructions are merely suggestions to a black box full of weights and pulleys and with some randomness added to make it less predictable/repetitive
"controls" is way too generous