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Trump's falsehoods — and what Democrats say is the threat he poses to democracy — have even some Democrats questioning whether their party should accept a loss in the Nov. 5 election.

While 19% of Republicans say Trump should reject the election results if he loses, 12% of Democrats say Kamala Harris should do the same if she loses.

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[–] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 112 points 1 month ago (5 children)

Honestly? Lower than I'd think.

I thought the proportion of Republicans who don't give a shit about democracy and just want their dude to win was higher.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 46 points 1 month ago (3 children)

It's 19% that don't want him to accept the results if he loses without any other info.

If trump claims it was stolen, then that number will skyrocket.

And if he loses, he'll say it was stolen.

[–] MirthfulAlembic@lemmy.world 14 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I'm not sure of how they worded the question, but I think you are exactly correct. There are a lot of Trump voters who don't believe he lost in 2020. So, if he really lost, they'd accept that, but virtually nothing would be accepted as a real loss short of Trump flat-out saying, "I lost, but it was the most beautiful loss in history."

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago

Yeah, I mean just look at 2020, around 2/3s of Republicans believe it was stolen.

It wasn't, there's zero evidence it was.

But still, 2/3s agree with it.

Anyone that expects the 19% number to still be true in three weeks is woefully naive. This is the floor, but lots won't say it till the election is over, but are going to say it regardless

[–] jaybone@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago (2 children)

He did eventually admit he lost the 2020 election.

[–] Anti_Face_Weapon@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

He did. But he also still claims he won and that it was stolen to this day. It's one of his biggest talking points.

Doublethink

[–] dalekcaan@lemm.ee 3 points 1 month ago

Kinda. He later said he was being sarcastic.

[–] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I agree - but I honestly thought there was more than 19% who just didn't give a shit about Democracy at this point.

[–] gAlienLifeform@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

There are 19% who give so little of a shit about democracy that they won't even try to hide it, there's definitely more who feel this way but won't admit it

Actually have some good news here. If you look at the survey itself, it explains that this was part of the question,

if Trump loses the election, he should declare

In other words, that 19% is assuming that he'll declare it stolen.

Source: https://www.prri.org/research/challenges-to-democracy-the-2024-election-in-focus-findings-from-the-2024-american-values-survey/#page-section-8

[–] DBT@lemmy.world 20 points 1 month ago

That number will skyrocket if he loses.

[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 1 month ago

I bet there are a bunch who won’t admit it but want it.

You have to wonder how accurate a survey like this is on a question like that.

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

A lot of them simply won't believe he actually lost, so he wouldn't be overturning anything, but correcting.