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[–] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 41 points 1 day ago (6 children)

That's still 2.4% on top of the cumulated inflation of the past 5 years...

[–] Soulg@sh.itjust.works 2 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

The economy would tank really hard if wet somehow deflated it to go back in time. It doesn't work like that.

Plus the last 5 years was almost entirely from covid anyway

[–] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 2 points 16 hours ago

I'm not saying it should. I'm just saying the rest of us still can't keep up even with 2% because of the cumulative two digits inflation we've had over the past few years on top of it.

[–] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 2 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

That's just how inflation works though. Wages tend to rise slower than prices do. In economic terms, wages are "sticky." They rise and fall slower than prices do in response to market conditions. Long periods of slow gradual inflation are fine, as people simply demand that their wages rise at a steady 2-3% to keep up with inflation, and employers expect it. But if there is a sudden spike in prices, it's a lot harder for employees to suddenly negotiate wage increases. Instead, the slower process of labor market competition, employees leaving underpaying jobs for better paying jobs, has to take over. It's going to take a few years for wages to catch up with the spike in prices, but it does happen with time, primarily from people switching jobs.

[–] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 1 points 16 hours ago

I've never had a 2% pay raise since I started my career in 2008.

Not by staying in one company anyway. I had to change companies every time and even then it was hard negotiating anything above what I was making before.

[–] TransplantedSconie@lemm.ee 47 points 1 day ago

You misspelled price gouging.

[–] EatATaco@lemm.ee 33 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Sure. But inflation is down, we didn't go into a recession, and wage growth has been outpacing inflation for over a year now.

This is good, we're going in the right direction. Deflation would be way worse.

[–] Soulg@sh.itjust.works 1 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Going in the right direction is fantastic except that it takes too long to really feel the impact, so all the low information voters will put in a republican, they'll just happen to be in office when the good times hit, but then they'll ruin it completely, which won't be felt until a Democrat takes over, who then will have to clean up the mess, repeat ad infinitum

[–] EatATaco@lemm.ee 1 points 14 hours ago

You don't have to go any further than these comments to find plenty of people who have no idea how any of this works. lol

I'm hoping this time you're wrong because there is a whole lot more on the line right now than just the economy.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

We should raise the minimum wage until it is commensurate with the price gouging. All at once, since none of the corporations eased us into higher prices.

But we have zero parties in this country that are willing to raise the minimum wage at the national level.

[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 12 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Yeah but unfortunately that's never going to change. Inflation is the rate of increase and they always want a rate of increase, just at 2%.

It's never going to go negative because growth for the growth gods!! :(

[–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Actually, it will never go negative (I hope) because if it goes negative we're probably in for a massive global recession that will introduce untold suffering.

You think they aim for 2% because that's what's good for rich people? 2% is the magic number for the whole economy.

[–] orcrist@lemm.ee -3 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Who taught you that? Remember, economists funded by rich people have obvious biases... And what happens if our salaries and pensions are indexed to the cost of living? Is the reasoning still good?

[–] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 2 points 16 hours ago

Populist candidates used to actually argue for higher inflation. See the free silver movement of the late 19th century. With some inflation present, the real value of all debts goes down over time, as long as you make the interest payments.

[–] drphungky@lemmy.world 4 points 20 hours ago

Just learned I was funded by rich people. Did I miss a paycheck somewhere?

-an actual economist, telling you deflation is bad

[–] damnedfurry@lemmy.world 1 points 16 hours ago

Who taught you that? Remember, [well poisoning the myriad of sources that would clearly show that's correct]

lol

[–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Aaaand now we get to the "don't trust the experts, they're all liars" phase

[–] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 2 points 16 hours ago

Seriously. I didn't realize President Erdogan had a lemmy accout!

[–] 7U5K3N@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 day ago

Line must go up.

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago

There are already alternatives available that do go negative.

[–] NewNewAccount@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago (2 children)

You want a deflationary environment? Are you sure?

[–] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 day ago

That's what you got from my one line comment?

[–] the_post_of_tom_joad@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

If "deflationary environment" is neoliberal for "restrictions on and immediate reduction of the current ongoing price gouging" then call me Moleman cuz yes, i want that, right now.

[–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Ok, well, no, it's not. Do you want actual deflation?

[–] the_post_of_tom_joad@sh.itjust.works -4 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago)

I need you to eat my entire sittin muscle. Dont say you don't want to, i can see you enjoy doing it by how you talk. Its a chore speaking with you often i bet.

get to chewing

Dagum smug ass no thinking neoliberals... Always sound like the same 20 something middle manager haha