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I'm so tired of walking into a post about women getting sexually assaulted and seeing a wall of "BuT WhAt AbOuT MeN!?!" comments. You people are so fucking stupid.
Edit: To the downvoters, please explain why you think it's appropriate to make a discussion about a woman being raped by 100+ men all about you. You're so fucking fragile.
Edit 2: Just an amazing lack of self awareness in these replies. Turns out some people really don't see a problem with hijacking a post about women being sexually assaulted to make it all about men instead. That's enough internet for today.
I'm not one of them, but the problem is the sign in the thumbnail. Without that I doubt it would've upset as many people.
Nah, that's just a pretext. They're just as bad as the "all lives matter" folks.
Nah lol I literally would be in here in full support without the sign, but with the sign I am reminded that even though I have been raped by two different women, not only am I seen as a horrid abuser for the crime of having been born with a penis, the women who raped me are seen as victims for the virtue of having a vagina. Erasing male victims and woman perpetrators in one fell swoop really isn't a good look, it makes the issue gendered rather than about abusers V victims, and then to turn it around and claim that men are making it "all about us" as if the sign didn't lead us there in the first place is some A+ victim blaming.
If women don't like that the conversation becomes about male victims in response to their erasure of male victims (and in this case woman perpetrators), then women should start speaking up for ALL victims instead of erasing us, regardless of how insignificant they think we are ignoring us is hurting OUR cause, yes "ours:" victims' regardless of gender.
"yea I'd like this protest, but there's literally one sign that offends me and they didn't chant my name so fuck them all" you're a piece of work omg xD
No u lmao, you literally are trying to silence victims of rape as we speak and you think I'm the piece of work? You having a stroke or something?
My dude, this post, and that sign, are not about you. They're about a woman being raped by over 100 men.
THIS POST IS NOT ABOUT YOU.
Then put that on the sign, not "always men" ffs. The sign is a lie and a problem and the fact that you can't see that means you're part of that problem.
To be quite frank, the vast majority of sexual violence against women is perpetrated by men. The vast majority of all sexual violence is against women.
I understand you feel your particular experience is unrepresented, but this particular case, and rallies, and signs etc... Are simply not about you or your experiences. This is about sexual violence against women. If you can't see that, and you insist on inserting yourself into a context that has nothing to do with you, then there's really nothing left to say.
Oh thank you for clarifying why you think me being raped is insignificant and doesn't matter. Wanna go for the rest of the hits while we're here? "You must have enjoyed it because you're a man" and "she was hot you should consider yourself lucky," or who could forget the classic "get over it pussy?"
Fine, if there's nothing left to say, then say nothing. That'll be better than what you've been doing.
Probably best to take your own advice.
Hell no I'll advocate for myself and those like me until my fingers fall off to combat people like you, how 'bout you quit trying to silence rape victims, hmm?
You're not advocating for yourself my guy, you're advocating against women. Do this on your own a post, the garbage you're spewing here does literally nothing for men, you're just shitting on a movement full of women for daring to protest for their rights and not yours specifically
I'll do this wherever it is relevant, like under a post that says "always a man." Guess what? Both times I was raped it was a woman, clearly not "always a man." Just admit you don't care about male victims either, we're literally all used to it. What is it "I must have enjoyed it because I'm a man" hmm?
For the love of god, how can you lack self awareness to such a degree.
This is a post about a woman who was raped by over 100 men, orchestrated by a man who she trusted, over a span of 10 years. That's a jaw dropping level of personal assault.
Yet here we are, in the comments, talking about you. You and your problems. Men and their problems. For fucks sake.
Same question.
Goddamn right, because the post just had to claim all rapists are men, which I just had to refute by being raped by two women (sorry to inconvenience you.)
Maybe next time make a sign for ALL victims of rape and sexual assault that doesn't exclude male victims and excuse woman abusers.
Of course they do. No men were harmed in the making of this living nightmare for Gisele Pelicot, however. I apologize that I didn't think of the men as I worked my way through reading about this absolutely horrific and disgusting event that happened to Gisele Pelicot. I'm sure as she watched the video footage of her limp body being violated and penetrated by hundreds of men, she was beside herself with grief for the plight of men.
You matter. Your trauma matters, obviously. This assault that Gisele Pelicot went through, however, is not about you. The fact that you seem incapable of realizing that is distressing.
I have no clue what you're talking about.
Unironically parroting the "all lives matter" dog whistle. Good grief.
Sure, and if you'll notice, I have only taken issue with the sign, as many like it have hurt men continuously including myself. It reinforces the idea that men are defacto rapists and women are defacto innocent and it's a bad sign. We should strive to be better than that with our slogans to include EVERYONE who gets raped, not just men or just women. The sign is a problem, and it's hindering the goal of what should be the "stop raping" movement without qualifiers like gender rather than a movement that openly admits that they, like the rest of the world, do not give a shit about male victims.
I'm not trying to shut their protest down, I want us to be fucking included.
The assault has nothing to do with me, but the sign does. I will not stand for such erasure (great band, btw).
Yeah I deleted that, I was hot on the heels of another person who is being a bigot (and literally writing "m*n" instead of "men" which I found hilarious) and I thought you were them until I read your Uname. That's my mistake I tried to get it before you saw it, sorry! In my defense your Uname is different in my inbox vs in the comments, I would have recognized "cheese!" Lol.
All victims matter, yes. Thanks for all but admitting you don't give a shit about male victims though, why not just go full mask off and say it outright instead of "AlL lIvEs MaTtEr" hmm?
Good luck with everything.
You too.
All rape is bad. It's probably one of, if not the darkest, most evil form of violation one human being can do to another.
The way sexual violence against women and sexual violence against men manifest themselves in our societies are totally different however. Each with different contexts and unique problems. To suggest otherwise is disingenuous and a bad faith argument.
To hijack a thread about a woman who was drugged and raped by over 100 men over the course of a decade, which is a particularly shocking assault, because your specific trauma isn't represented in this particular context is beyond offensive and petty.
This woman was drugged and raped by over 100 men, over a huge gulf of time, orchestrated by a man that she trusted (her husband). It is an absolutely insane level of personal assault. Yet here we are, in the comments section, talking about men and their problems. Like we always end up doing.
Just say you don't care about men and you're sexist. Would be way easier for you
There's a BLM protest over the police shooting an innocent black person 100+ times while they had their hands up. Someone posts about it on lemmy. A bunch of white people come to the thread and mention that the protest is bad because they've also been abused by police, and one (1) person there had a sign that says "fuck white people". They say that sign is evil and racist and spoils the whole protest, and that the protest is garbage anyway because aLl LIveS mAtTEr and how dare they only protest violence against black people? White people are victims too! And BLM is a bunch of racist assholes who hate all white people for not catering to them 24/7 and having the gall to protest issues they disproportionately face rather than protesting for all victims of police violence.
This is you, to the letter. This is you and every other man coming here to distract from the issue at hand bc your issue is more important and bc you don't give a shit about the people protesting or the fact that they face disproportionate amounts of violence.
This Is Not About You
If there ever is a protest against raping men, I hope nobody trolls it with the same AllLivesMatter bullshit that you are here
I've been abused, abuse is about me you ignorant and sexist fuck. You dont get to decide what is about me and what isn't
If you want a protest about you, organize one. And again, I hope it's not criticized and counterprotested by people like you who want to hijack it and make it all about them
lol shows how much you know about all of this, you dont even think it's criticized, fucking yikes
How about you just say you don't care about women and you are also sexist? Would be way easier for you, too.
Cause I do care, I dont hold up signs that say I'm racist or sexist either or normalize it and say it's ok like you do
I didn't even look at the thumbnail. I'm a man btw. If I had to rewrite that sign it might say 'NOT ALL MEN - JUST TOO MANY'. Or, I dunno, something like that.
I kinda feel like, for blokes there are two important things we can do. Aside from stop having arguments about who's the bigger victim (it's women). First is just don't do that shit. Just don't. It's actually easy and rewarding to not be a bad person. Second is don't let any other guys get away with even talking like that. Even if they're mates, step the fuck up and let them know that talk is not okay. Let's be honest, many of us have heard our mates talk about women in a way we weren't quite comfy with and afterwards thought we should have said something. Say something.
If she held up a sign holding "all gays should die" would that be enough to talk about? A protest for a good cause is not a free pass to spread untruths. There are some men in this thread who were actually raped and you rail against them for sharing their story. The trial still goes on, it's not like people here are in favor of the rapists?
To use your inflammatory language: it's unbelievably stupid and fragile to believe you get to direct the contents of the topic. Let the adults talk
terminally online men try not to take a picture of a random sign in an otherwise unrelated article personally challenge (impossible)
Reading is fucking hard I guess