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[–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago (1 children)

"do something, anything as long as it doesn't affect me"

[–] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today -2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

"do something, anything as long as it ~~doesn't affect me~~ actually targets the oil industry.

FTFY.

[–] Deme@sopuli.xyz 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Disruptions cause outrage

Outrage sparks discusson

Discussion leads to political pressure

Political pressure leads to action that targets the oil industry

[–] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today -2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

So close, yet so far away...

Political pressure leads to action that targets ~~the oil industry~~ the protesters.

FTFY.

The only thing they have actually achieved is enhanced enforcement and penalties for impeding traffic.

[–] piefedderatedd@piefed.social 1 points 2 months ago

In the Netherlands, since 2023, there have been quite a lot of road blockades by XR (with hundreds to thousands of demonstrators) with no such penalties at all. From what I've read the activists in the UK were (rightfully so) determined to have their say in the court room while the judge sounded like a climate crisis denial person and got impatient. If I were a lawyer I would have made an attempt to get this judge dismissed on the case for not being objective and before they were ready for their verdict.

[–] Deme@sopuli.xyz -1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The process I described unfortunately does take longer than the initial lashing outs of the establisment. A couple of "martyrs" may not be the worst thing either.

YungOnions already provided you with some good articles about why and how nonviolent disruption works. I suggest you read them.

[–] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today -1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

JSO "martyrs" are for the cause of free speech, not against oil. JSO is distracting people from oil. JSO is diverting legislative attention away from oil.

I suggest you stop reading articles, and start looking at reality. The reality is that JSO has demonstrated they are as effective at "disrupting" the oil industry as the Westboro Baptist Church has been at "disrupting" homosexuality: not the fuck at all.

[–] Deme@sopuli.xyz 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

I'm not sure how you managed to misunderstand, but by disruptions I was referring to precisely the kind of disruptions of the lives of ordinary people that - and I'm sure we can at least agree on this - they have quite successfully caused.

Our two parallel discussions are about the methods of protesting against the use of fossil fuels. Our discussions here exists because of JSO. It got you thinking about what should be done to get rid of the use of fossil fuels, even if this was just for the purposes of making counterarguments.

[–] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 1 points 2 months ago

I'm not sure how you managed to misunderstand, but by disruptions I was referring to precisely the kind of disruptions of the lives of ordinary people that - and I'm sure we can at least agree on this - they have quite successfully caused.

I agree, they've done a bangup job bringing attention to the ongoing fight against jaywalking.

Against oil, not so much.