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[–] ivanafterall@lemmy.world 13 points 2 months ago (7 children)

It's really sweet how they add unnecessary letters to feel all fancy about their little words.

"Colour"

"Humour"

Aww, so cute.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago (4 children)

It gets worse- "foetus," "aeroplane."

They also think "er" is pronounced "re" like in the words "centre" and "theatre" and "s" is pronounced like "z" like in words like "apologise" and "realise."

Get it together guys. We know you came up with the language, but that's no excuse not to keep up.

[–] umbraroze@lemmy.world 12 points 2 months ago

Speaking of aviation, I have no idea why Americans use such a boring term as "airport". I mean, the guys invented half of the aviation technology and then they just use the term "airport". Such a waste of potential.

The international standard term is "aerodrome". Say it like you mean it. It's a term with gravitas.

[–] ComicalMayhem@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Foetus is a weird one, I've never heard that before. I keep trying to pronounce it in my head but the closest I get is sounding like fajitas.

[–] Neon@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

It comes from the german Fötus

oe is ö

and english is a germanic language

[–] feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Is that right? So it's not the same as the oe in phoenix? I know in old books they used to fuse the letters.

[–] mitchty@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

If it’s right I’d want a source, the oe spelling in British English is as far as I was aware a let’s latinize thing in Britain.

https://www.etymonline.com/word/oe https://www.etymonline.com/word/fetus

[–] TachyonTele@lemm.ee 3 points 2 months ago

Would you like some chicken ~~fajitas~~ foetus

[–] dch82@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Because Fetus would be pronounced with a hard e not a ee sound.

~~oe is a variant of the french œ pronounced ee~~

[–] Zip2@feddit.uk 2 points 2 months ago

Ok, I’m confused by the aeroplane reference. It’s not pronounced as per the American “airplane”.

[–] EvolvedTurtle@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

This is the first I'm hearing about these And they bug me

[–] Chewget@lemm.ee 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The USA newspapers are credited with removing letters. It used to cost per letter, so people started removing whatever they could.

[–] Avatar_of_Self@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Noah Webster dropped the 'u' on words as well as otherwise changed the spelling of many words in 'American' English.

[–] Chewget@lemm.ee -1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Words are changed when their commonly changed... webster took note. Lol

[–] Avatar_of_Self@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

Nah, Webster really did drop the 'u' and changed a lot of spelling. He also learned a lot of languages since back then there were many, many different languages/dialects in America at the time and he wanted to make it easier as he changed spellings, such as swapping 're' to 'er' for phonetics. There was also a lot of anti-British sentiment at the time of course which certainly would have motivated acceptance.

Webster is definitely also credited for this in histories and not newspapers outside of anecdotes.

[–] Chewget@lemm.ee 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

"it is often assumed that characteristically American spellings were invented by Noah Webster. He was very influential in popularizing certain spellings in the United States, but he did not originate them. Rather [...] he chose already existing options such as center, color and check for the simplicity, analogy or etymology" https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_and_British_English_spelling_differences

Either way he didn't change the spellings he popularized them..

"Webster did attempt to introduce some reformed spellings, as did the Simplified Spelling Board in the early 20th century, but most were not adopted."

Edit, I messed up markdown

[–] Avatar_of_Self@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago

If we're doing Wikipedia as the sole citation then:

In 1806, Webster published his first dictionary, A Compendious Dictionary of the English Language. By 1807, he began work on a more extensive dictionary, An American Dictionary of the English Language, which took twenty-six years to complete. To evaluate the etymology of words, Webster learned twenty-eight languages, including Old English, Gothic, German, Greek, Latin, Italian, Spanish, French, Dutch, Welsh, Russian, Hebrew, Aramaic, Persian, Arabic, and Sanskrit. His goal was to standardize American English, which varied widely across the country. They also spelled, pronounced, and used English words differently.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noah_Webster#Blue-backed_speller

As time went on, Webster changed the spellings in the book to more phonetic ones. Most of them already existed as alternative spellings.[34] He chose spellings such as defense, color, and traveler, and changed the re to er in words such as center. He also changed tongue to the older spelling tung, but this did not catch on.

Furthermore your quote doesn't actually have a relevant citation:

He was very influential in popularizing certain spellings in the United States, but he did not originate them. Rather […] he chose already existing options such as center, color and check for the simplicity, analogy or etymology”

Though in context of the previous paragraph seems to imply that this was an opinion that the wikipedia article came to simply because there was a previous work that argued specifically for 'or' in place of 'our' but again, it appears to simply be their opinion based on an assumption.

[–] Zip2@feddit.uk 1 points 2 months ago

I’d also heard it suggested that the date was written the “British” way, and post civil war was when they started writing them incorrectly.

[–] BoringHusband@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago (2 children)
[–] TachyonTele@lemm.ee 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] EvolvedTurtle@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I've been really wanting to make a small forge to melt down some cans

[–] TachyonTele@lemm.ee 3 points 2 months ago

That would be pretty cool, honestly. Probably better than sticking it in the blue bin.

[–] Myavatargotsnowedon@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

But they're almost all 'iums', changing just one is like finding a fly in a bowl of cereal

[–] mitchty@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Molybdenum, lanthanum, tantalum, platinum, it’s not unique and not all got latinized.

https://www.etymonline.com/word/aluminum

And aluminum was what it was originally spelled as well, at this point it’s not going to change in American English. Even the IUPAC acknowledges it as accepted, it’s been there from the start can we move on past this after 200+ years?

[–] Zip2@feddit.uk 3 points 2 months ago

Now let’s hear yanks say “mobile mirror”. You’re too lazy to even pronounce the letters you do have.

[–] Ziglin@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

Totally normal if you ask me.

[–] Zip2@feddit.uk 2 points 2 months ago

Actually can we collectively agree to blame the French for this? It was they who introduced it.

[–] undergroundoverground@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Thats certainly one possible explanation for why Americans chose to simplify the spelling of the words they use.