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Hersh Goldberg-Polin, 23. Originally from California, Goldberg-Polin immigrated to Israel with his family as a young child. He was taken at gunpoint by Hamas militants while at the Nova music festival.

In August his parents spoke at the Democratic party convention, where they were greeted by a crowd that chanted: “Bring them home.”

Eden Yerushalmi was in contact with the police and with her sisters after the attack. ‘They’ve caught me,’ were her last words to them.

Carmel Gat had been staying with her parents in kibbutz Be’eri on 7 October, one of the communities hardest hit by the attack. Hamas fighters broke into their home and kidnapped her; her mother was killed in the attack.

Alexander Lobanov’s five-month-old son was born while he was in captivity.

Almog Sarusi was taken hostage as his girlfriend, who was shot, succumbed to her injuries.

Ori Danino had been helping others try to escape when he was abducted.

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[–] ThirdWorldOrder@lemm.ee 8 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

No, the hostages were murdered by Hamas. They were not killed by Israeli air strikes.

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Hamas blames Israeli airstrikes for death of six hostages in Gaza

“The ones who kill our people daily are the Israeli colonizers with American weapons. The hostages found in Gaza were not killed by us but by the relentless Zionist bombardment,” Rishq said in a statement.

He further criticized the U.S., saying, “If President [Joe] Biden truly cares about the lives of Israeli hostages, he should cease his support for this enemy with money and weapons and pressure Israel to end its aggression immediately.”

Rishq emphasized that Hamas had been more concerned about the lives of the hostages than Biden himself, citing Hamas’ agreement to a cease-fire proposal and the UN Security Council’s resolution, both of which were rejected by Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

[–] ThirdWorldOrder@lemm.ee 0 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (3 children)

Are you really taking the word of Hamas, who kidnapped the people to begin with? The air raids killed the hostages in an underground tunnel? Yeah, okay.

If Hamas was concerned about the lives of the hostages they could have released them. Propaganda at best.

[–] merthyr1831@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Propaganda is you believing that Israel wouldn't start an extermination campaign the very day after Hamas agreed to any internationally-agreed peace deal that didn't explicitly demand the IOF pulling out of Gaza.

Israel could've had these people back alive if they agreed to the July 2nd peace plan as the US and Hamas had supported, yet Netanyahu wants indefinite control of the Gaza strip and total extermination of the Palestinian people; The hostages are just a good excuse to keep useful idiots like you in line.

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[–] Count042@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Are you really taking the word of a convicted apartheid state that runs a minimum of one torture camp that intentionally bombs civilians?

[–] ThirdWorldOrder@lemm.ee 0 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

I’m having a difficult time believing that Israel jets killed hostages located in an underground tunnel.

[–] Count042@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 weeks ago

Why?

You don't believe all the released hostages who said the thing that scared them most was the Israeli bombing?

[–] merthyr1831@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Then you're as much an idiot as the rest of the morons who take Netanyahu's word. You can tell me what you think a 2000Lbs bomb would do to a hand-dug tunnel a few meters below the surface.

Especially one reliant on manual ventilation since there's little to no electrical power (hmm who did that I wonder?).

Even if Hamas killed them in cold blood, which is a stupid negotiating tactic by the way, they have infinitely more reasons for doing so considering the reality of most of the prison guards having their entire family lines wiped out by targeted attacks on civilians over 10 months.

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[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Omg you're doing it here too.

[–] ThirdWorldOrder@lemm.ee -1 points 2 weeks ago

Appreciate the comment

[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Yes, when tons of explosives are dropped on Gaza, I take the word of Hamas that explosives killed hostages. Especially when other hostages were returned. Hamas gains nothing from their deaths.

[–] ThirdWorldOrder@lemm.ee 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (4 children)

You are suggesting that Hamas hasn’t murdered any of the hostages. Are you being serious?

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[–] Count042@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

As stated by the government that has been caught lying more than telling the truth in this conflict that also runs rape and torture camps as reported by their own media.

[–] ThirdWorldOrder@lemm.ee -1 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

It’s okay not to like Israeli government but it’s not cool to spread misinformation unless you have some data that we haven’t seen.

[–] dodgy_bagel@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Hamas has claimed that they were killed during the air strike.

[–] ThirdWorldOrder@lemm.ee 0 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (4 children)

You are right. Perhaps it is wise to believe the words of the kidnappers and not the people trying to rescue them. Perhaps it is not.

I’m referring to the previous poster going on about unrelated accusations that have nothing to do with the story.

[–] dodgy_bagel@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I wouldn't characterize either party as being particularly free from bias. It's a shame that ground-level reporters have such a frequent tendency to die.

[–] ThirdWorldOrder@lemm.ee -2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

They are both asshats and Netanyahu is a psychopath. No denying that.

If Hamas would release these fucking hostages Israel would lose the ability to continue their siege. But they won’t.

[–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 2 weeks ago (11 children)

Israel constantly says they won't stop if hostages are released. They will only stop once they've killed all hamas, which by their definition of hamas is anyone in Gaza

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[–] merthyr1831@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

And yet you. take. the. word. of. a. country. systematically. raping. civilians.

Don't pretend you're interested in the truth. You're interested in seeing more dead, raped, and starving kids to fulfill you racial prejudices. Go fuck yourself.

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[–] HasturInYellow@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I find it amusing you think Israel's goal is to rescue the hostages. They really don't give a shit. It's an excuse to cleanse the land for future settlement. Simple as that.

[–] ThirdWorldOrder@lemm.ee 0 points 2 weeks ago

Well if Hamas knows this they could, you know, release the hostages. Israel would lose Casus Belli and all international support.

You’re looking at this wrong.

[–] Count042@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Israel has kidnapped far more children if you consider the west bank children held without a judicial process, only a military tribunal without counsel where only the testimony of the military personal who kidnapped the children matters.

So, either way you have to believe kidnappers.

Or do Palestinian children not have the privilege to be 'kidnapped'?

[–] ThirdWorldOrder@lemm.ee 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Okay so you’ll believe Hamas that the hostages were killed in an Israeli air strike that somehow secretly managed to bomb an underground tunnel?

Amazing.

[–] Count042@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 weeks ago

I'll believe the word of the released hostages that stated the thing that scared them most was Israeli bombing.

[–] Count042@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Rape and torture camp as reported by haaretz: sde teinman

I'm not spreading misinformation.

Edited to fix spelling of the name of the torture camp.

[–] ThirdWorldOrder@lemm.ee -1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] Count042@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)
[–] ThirdWorldOrder@lemm.ee 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

You said there were multiple camps. There are not.

You are embellishing. The 9 Israelis responsible are being tried in court. This is not a systematic issue. It’s isolated.

Israeli hostages were also sexually abused.

[–] Count042@lemmy.ml -1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

So you do know of the rape camp and the systemic torture camps?

Why did you call it misinformation if you knew what I was talking about?

[–] ThirdWorldOrder@lemm.ee 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

You said camps which would imply systemic problems and not an isolated incident.

Disingenuous on your part.