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Hopefully the mods are okay with a little journalism about journalism so that people know where Politico stands in terms of being a trustworthy source.

The headline in question:

‘Next question’: Harris evades questions about her identity

The background to the headline is from Harris' recent CNN interview:

“I want to ask you about your opponent, Donald Trump,” Bash said to Harris. “I was a little bit surprised. People might be surprised to hear that you have never interacted with him, met him face-to-face. That’s gonna change soon. But what I wanna ask you about is what he said last month. He suggested that you ‘happened’ to turn Black recently for political purposes, questioning a core part of your identity.”

“Same old, tired playbook,” Harris replied. “Next question, please.”

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[–] CitizenKong@lemmy.world 163 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (14 children)

Honest question from a European: Do you guys still have journalism somewhere? It all seems to be political propaganda or outrage clickbait with you guys.

[–] protist@mander.xyz 147 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Point of order from an American: Politico is a wholly owned subsidiary of German multinational Axel Springer.

[–] ceiphas@lemmy.world 74 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Didn't know that (i'm German), but Springer ist known in Germany to outright lie to push rightwing agenda

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 20 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Better regulation in EU and Germany. And better freedom of speech too.
Many Americans confuse the right to lie with freedom of speech.

[–] paw 12 points 2 months ago

Touché (I'm German, btw)

[–] jaybone@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

Do they own Spiegel?

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 96 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Very little, but there is NPR, which generally attempts to do real journalism.

https://www.npr.org/

[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 49 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] protist@mander.xyz 35 points 2 months ago (2 children)

ProPublica, PBS, and don't forget the Daily Show

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 30 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

I wouldn't say the Daily Show does real journalism. They do make important stories public, but they have a clear slant both in terms of politics and in terms of making it funny.

[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 13 points 2 months ago

Jon Stewart would agree. Not sure if Norm would, but probably.

[–] EarthShipTechIntern@lemm.ee 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Daily Show and Last Week Tonight have staffs of ardent pursuers of truth.

A lot of study & journalism goes in to the jokes & it shows.

Both offer a succinct wrap of the daily (or weekly) news.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Study and research, definitely. But I still wouldn't call it journalism. It's satire based on research. When going for a joke over necessary details, they will often go for the joke. And if you read the story elsewhere, you will see that something important has been left out because of it.

I love The Daily Show and Last Week Tonight a long with A Closer Look on Seth Myers' show and I regularly watch all of them, but I still wouldn't call them journalism. It's well-researched extremely topical comedy. And that's fine. That's a good thing. People can get their information from comedy too. It's just that you shouldn't necessarily turn to them for a full picture of a story.

That said, I would say that's much less true of Last Week Tonight because they go in depth into a subject. The Daily Show and A Closer Look spend at most 6 or 7 minutes on a subject and have to fit in a lot of jokes.

[–] EarthShipTechIntern@lemm.ee 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

And that's why I (& sounds like you, too) watch them: as you said they bring valid topics to the table. If they're skewing the facts severely, they make it pretty obviously part(y) of the jokes. Doonesbury was always more of a news media than national inquirer.

Comedy delivered from a proper court jester beats the telltale gossip rag for actual useful information every day of the week.

That in mind, Late night, Tonight shows, daily shows all do a better job of delivering news than Fox.

Plus, they tell you it's only part of the story or give multiple takes on the situations.

Fox, not so much. Some experts agree... Valid topics are only those approved by Sun times & RT.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

I don't disagree with anything you're saying. I'm just saying it isn't journalism. It's informational, helpful and sometimes even profound- but it isn't journalism. It's just not journalism when you sacrifice information for humor.

[–] Carrolade@lemmy.world 14 points 2 months ago

Mother Jones remains my favorite publication, I think.

[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 25 points 2 months ago

Which is precisely why Musk has flagged it as possible misinformation on Xitter.

[–] littlewonder@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Agree, though their coverage of Bernie's 2016 presidential run towed the DNC party line, which made me less sure about their neutrality. Now I tend to hit up the BBC if I want US news coverage and I don't have time to ingest multiple sources.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

A lot of British people can tell you all about the BBC's toeing the government line. But both are a lot less biased than many other Western media sources. NPR's biggest problem is similar to what the NYT and WaPo do, just to a lesser extent- overcompensating and causing an imbalance toward conservatism in an attempt to look unbiased. WaPo and especially the NYT are far worse though.

[–] Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 27 points 2 months ago
[–] FireTower@lemmy.world 16 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Local affiliates and independent papers tend to be much better.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 41 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Until they get bought up by Sinclair or Gannett.

[–] hemmes@lemmy.world 38 points 2 months ago

This is extremely dangerous to our democracy

[–] darkdemize@sh.itjust.works 18 points 2 months ago

"This is dangerous to our democracy."

[–] AshMan85@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

Was gonna say, "they still exist?" Lol

[–] GoofSchmoofer@lemmy.world 15 points 2 months ago (1 children)

There are a lot of 'content creators' that pose as journalists.

There are journalists that do great work but since their stories can run counter to a narrative, it can be more difficult to find those articles.

[–] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 14 points 2 months ago

Specifically, "Good Work" and "Some More News" spring to mind as producing well researched pieces - they're both highly specialized and only deliver occasional focused news rather than a continuous spread of general goings-on... but given how many outlets are happy to spam low quality continuous bullshit I consider that a good thing.

[–] LillyPip@lemmy.ca 11 points 2 months ago

This is the culmination of unchecked capitalism having full control of the media. The truth hasn’t mattered for a really long time – only which words are most profitable.

[–] casmael@lemm.ee 8 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Related question: what do you guys think of the associated press?

[–] nickhammes@lemmy.world 13 points 2 months ago

American here: their goal is clearly factual reporting, and I don't see too often where they've missed the mark. Nobody's free of bias, but they're pretty good at balancing theirs out.

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago

We have it less and less too here in the EU.

IMO.

[–] barsquid@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago

We have capitalism that is regulated less and less with every Repub admin, so no, unfortunately.

[–] dylanmorgan@slrpnk.net 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Drop Site news, 404 media, Pro Publica, Vox is occasionally good.

Short answer is “not much.”

[–] girlfreddy@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 months ago

I just had an article removed today from Drop Site news because it had been posted on their Substack. :/

[–] wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

I get most of my news from Reuters (which is UK-based I think). I used to read NPR but I think Reuters has more quality content. Beyond that, the Associated Press I guess, and that's all I really trust.

The Onion too, for when I need to forget how fucked we all are as a species.

[–] Kalysta@lemm.ee 1 points 2 months ago

Most of our real journalism lives online or is parroted from foreign journalists