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[–] FlowVoid@lemmy.world 157 points 2 months ago (5 children)

The Harris and Trump teams don't agree about whether mikes should be cut when their opponent is speaking.

You might think Team Harris wants the mikes cut. But actually, they want the mikes kept on throughout the debate. Team Trump wants them cut, because they are afraid Trump won't be able to control himself and end up looking bad. Which I think is hilarious.

[–] ech@lemm.ee 77 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Just fyi, it's "mic" when talking about microphones.

[–] Lupus 67 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Phew, I was really worried someone was gonna cut poor mike.

[–] then_three_more@lemmy.world 40 points 2 months ago (2 children)

The USA has a male circumcision rate of over 80%, so likelihood is that Mike is already cut.

[–] Poem_for_your_sprog@lemmy.world 20 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] then_three_more@lemmy.world 14 points 2 months ago (1 children)

You know I was going to put that first but couldn't getting the spelling close enough for predictive text to pick up and didn't want to randomly say "genital mutilation" to my phone while sat on the bus.

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago

didn't want to randomly say "genital mutilation" to my phone while sat on the bus.

Yeah, you want to be precise when talking about destroying naughty bits on mass transit.

As a bonus, my phone has VERY bad ideas for events 😂

[–] netvor@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

I mean U.S. presidential debates don't need to be posh intellectual philosophy clubs, but cutting Mikes on the stage, that would be a bit too far.

(Also if your data is accurate they would probably run out of uncut Mikes really fast.)

[–] then_three_more@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

Looks like around 8,000 Michael's were born in 2023, so probably about another 4,000 so far this year. I'll not sure at what age American's start mutilating their children's penises though, so I guess some of those might already be done.

[–] adespoton@lemmy.ca 26 points 2 months ago (1 children)

They did… Mike’s not the VP candidate this time around. I was trying to figure out what he was going to be doing at the debate….

[–] CeruleanRuin@lemmings.world 6 points 2 months ago

Aside from attracting flies, you mean.

[–] Wiz@midwest.social 2 points 2 months ago

"On Mike... The lovely Cher! You OK, Mike?"

[–] empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.com 41 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Hot take: Harris' team wants open hot mics because there's a nonzero chance of catching Trump uttering the hard-R

[–] idiomaddict@lemmy.world 17 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I don’t think he’d lose a single voter, to be honest.

[–] empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.com 20 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

It was never about making him lose voters, his rabies-frothing brain dead fan base will never break. It was about making him look like the massive corrupt openly racist piece of shit that he is, so that everyone else with a brain will be motivated to actually get out and vote AGAINST him.

[–] CeruleanRuin@lemmings.world 12 points 2 months ago

I think you're underestimating the growing disillusionment of MAGA voters. He lost, when he said he had it in the bag. He then flubbed a coup, which in the end only resulted in hundreds of MAGAts going to jail, with hardly a word of thanks or encouragement from him. Many of them have found themselves alienated from their families and wondering what it was for, because after eight years of Trump they haven't seen a single thing from him that he promised them.

The white supremacist douche brigades support him because he's all they've got, but everyone else is more wobbly than they have ever been. They fear "the libs", but with four years of Biden now and none of their fears realized in that time, the bite has gone out of even that particular dog.

Now is the time when we should be reaching out to them, encouraging them to come back into the fold of mainstream America. Let them realize that they've slipped to the fringes and are in danger of truly being left out.

[–] nova_ad_vitum@lemmy.ca 13 points 2 months ago (1 children)

You might think Team Harris wants the mikes cut. But actually, they want the mikes kept on throughout the debate. Team Trump wants them cut, because they are afraid Trump won't be able to control himself and end up looking bad. Which I think is hilarious.

I hope they know what they're doing . Trump voters don't expect Trump to present logical arguments and back them up. They expect him to shout nonsense, talk over his opponent, and then declare victory at the end because that's what their idea of "tough" is.

So I hope the Harris camp has thought this strategy all the way through. A debate "win" isn't determined by who presented the most logical arguments or the most coherent vision. The winner is determined by who gets a bump in the polls and ultimately gains voters afterwards, and potential Trump supporters aren't looking the same things as Democrats.

[–] FlowVoid@lemmy.world 13 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Harris isn't using the debate to win over Trump supporters. That ship has sailed. She is using the debate to win over swing voters and motivate her own supporters.

Polls show swing voters don't like it when Trump interrupts people, and it can motivate (ie enrage) her own supporters.

[–] nova_ad_vitum@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Polls show swing voters don't like it when Trump interrupts people, and it can motivate (ie enrage) her own supporters.

I hope this is true, but there are definitely many swing voters who consider Trump's bullshit to be how tough people behave , and it makes them more likely to vote for him. If that weren't the case I doubt he would have been elected.

[–] FlowVoid@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

I suspect ultimately Harris will agree to mute mics and just use Trump's reluctance to ridicule him.

[–] circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 2 months ago

I know there are probably some good reasons not to go there, but I'd really love to see the Harris campaign turn this into a "free speech" argument. The righties have spent a lot of time conditioning their supporters with "free speech" dog whistles.