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[–] citrusface@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I didn't say it wasn't important. It's incredibly important. It's not what is going to swing the average voter.

Your rhetoric is framing her as a failure because she hadnt put out a firm stance on ONE hot button issue right now.

What is happening in Gaza is genocide. It is wrong. It is awful. It is not the only thing happening. It's not domestic. That's what the average voter is concerned about - domestic issues.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world -3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I didn’t say it wasn’t important. It’s incredibly important. It’s not what is going to swing the average voter.

Then if it's not going to decide anything, there's no reason to shut up about it.

Your rhetoric is framing her as a failure because she hadnt put out a firm stance on ONE hot button issue right now.

Failure? No. I mean, I live in reality. She's vastly more popular than Biden was, thank god. But ignoring the concerns of the electorate doesn't make them go away. It just breeds apathy.

What is happening in Gaza is genocide. It is wrong. It is awful.

All the more reason to call for an arms embargo and keep calling for it. We spent so long talking about the moral high ground as a justification for maintaining decorum while Republicans stacked the courts and ignored laws we still have yet to prosecute. Yet we abandon morals entirely when we want to sell weapons to the head of a brutal apartheid regime to carry out genocide. Far as I'm concerned, our complicity in the latter calls into question our motivations for the former.

It is not the only thing happening. It’s not domestic. That’s what the average voter is concerned about - domestic issues.

So there's no reason to shut up about it. We can oppose genocide and chew gum at the same time.

[–] citrusface@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Okay sure - Fair points. I still think your approach does more harm than good, but i really don't see the need to continue to have a looping conversation.