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Just how dumb is this guy?
Whatever the answer to that question is, the real answer is "dumber than that."
Also acceptable: not as dumb as the people who vote for him.
Dumber than that.
He's a not really that dumb, he's a narcissist. Like, as a legitimate, detrimental mental condition.
Trump cannot backtrack and admit he is wrong, even if it's a small goof. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Dorian%E2%80%93Alabama_controversy
I know people like this in real life, and it's really sad, but also really annoying/grating.
To be fair, he’s ALSO very dumb: https://www.truthorfiction.com/trump-was-the-dumbest-gddamn-student/
This is really reductive.
I think coverage of him before 2015 is much more enlightening. One I always point to is the Market Foolery podcasts on Trump, where (TL;DR) he tries to sell private real estate to his public company at highly inflated prices, and hyping the market to buy into this technically-not-illegal scheme.
Thing is, he's good at that kind of scheme. It worked! It wasn't illegal, just basically selling a turd. The Motley Fool saw through it (and met him in person to discuss it, which is what the podcast is about) and made the only short of their career, but still, people drastically underestimate Trump's ability to "sell" ideas that benefit him, to their detrement.
The guy is one of the dumbest people alive. He isn't good at anything but fooling dumb people. He is the king of the dumb people and there are more than we thought.
It's not reductive. It's factual. Quit polishing a turd. He's a moron. He can't even fuck a porn star and pay her without being caught. He's so dumb he can't hide investment lies without being caught. He can't plan to overthrow the government without documentation.
I know 5 year olds with more wit and social navigation.
I’d be interested to see your take on his prowess as a trickster as mentioned in the parent comment.
We’d be really mad at someone who designed a 3D printed nuclear bomb and used it on our families. They might be socially inept and bad at geography and have no grasp of international affairs, so kinda dumb in some ways. They’d definitely be very evil. But when it came to nuke engineering, they’re evil & not dumb.
I don’t worry I’m glorifying the impeached ex-president when I say “he’s good at fraud.” He has said and done many evil things, including some cunning ones. He’s dumb in some areas. Am I really polishing a turd right now by acknowledging a horrible horrible person isn’t entirely an idiot in every facet of his life, rather only most of them?
Maybe 45’s narcissism is indeed the bigger headline. Narcissistic, evil, morally an idiot, cunning at (smart at executing) certain scams… if we just say “nope bad at everything, 100% dumb” we’re underplaying how dangerous he can be, no?
In my opinion, it's because our systems are woefully inadequate to address even the dumbest of huckster schemes. He's not some brilliant dude for pulling it off. He just has no morals, no ethics, and no shame. And he's spent a lifetime instinctively removing anyone who does from his presence.
"There is no greater danger than underestimating your opponent." ― Lao Tzu
Your not acknowledging his strengths, which have absolutely gotten him this far. That's a deadly mistake, one the Democrat part has already made far too much.
His strengths didn’t get him this far. His daddy’s money did.
He's not my adversary. He's an asshole I would rather not exist and is the epitome of stupidity. He doesn't have strengths. He bought fame and sucks at life. I don't need to acknowledge him as anything other than the scum that represents more scum. And you sound like you support him more than you dislike him.
I don't support Trump. I don't think there's anything that could happen that would make me vote Trump instead of literally any Democratic candidate. Even that aside, I really hate narcissists.
But you're living in a bubble if you don't want to acknowledge how he got this far, and you lash out any one that tries to break it. Way too much of the Democrat party does. It's how they lost, and could lose again.
Saying he's dumb as hell isn't saying he's not a clear and present danger to democracy. It's just saying he's dumb as hell. A person can be dumb and dangerous at the same time.
I'm not living in anything. You don't get it. I'm not a public figure. I'm just some person on the Internet. There is no need for me to see any good in a person. And he is that person.
Yet you're here commenting on Trump news, posting what you think he's like, and you have an interest in the Democrats winning.
I guess it doesn't matter much one way or another on Lemmy (we won't find many Trump enthusiasts to argue wtih here), but I feel that critcism of him can be much stronger if you look into his history instead of willingly ignoring it, and see what he's like.
What does that have to do with anything? You are commenting on how much we should respect him. I don't think we should. For any reason. He isn't against me. I don't need to respect a goddamn thing about him. And those that do are mentally ill.
Not respect, understand.
I'm a firm believer that we should make every attempt to understand what we hate.
What are you on about? I don't need to understand stupidity. It shouldn't be put on a pedestal to examine. When people say racist shit, it ain't a strength. When they convince people to follow they aren't wise. They are a predator being a piece of shit.
Tbf, after having dealt with narcissist in my own life, I've realized you dont really have to be smart to be good at manipulation, being shameless and willing to lie through your teeth does a pretty good job with people who dont want to get dragged into things, which is most people, the lies dont have to be particularly well thought out. So while Trump has done pretty well for himself as a conman, it doesnt really prove he has any type of intelligence.
Another commenter pointed out that he's so fucking stupid he stared directly at the sun when an eclipse happened. Yeah he's not very smart.
And most likely someone else came up with that scheme.
I don't think so. It's classic Trump and fits his long pattern of behavior, of not quite lying in the technical sense while selling some kind of snake oil.
Couldn't be a pattern of the people he hires and ethics he's happy to not have? This isn't evidence that he's smart
But also dumb
His VP pick has children who are both white and Indian, but he still can't comprehend Harris can be black and Indian.
To be fair, Trump and most of the MAGA base probably don't view the Vance kids as white at all.
Conservatives are all about tradition...
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-drop_rule
He's "look directly at the sun during an eclipse without eye protection" dumb. Plus he's old, sleepy, and a felon.
More predictable than dumb, in that in any given situation the man will pick the absolutely worst choice available. Every single time. Even when that choice hurts him.
When his options are (a) pick the right choice, (b) pick a bad choice, ( c) do nothing, or (d) pick something you didn't even fathom because the idea was just so bad that even the biggest moron would dismiss it out of hand, he will go with D. Every single time. Even if it hurts himself. Thankfully, the man can't get out of his own way 95% of the time, and I firmly believe that making even something resembling a rational choice even on the most basic of options would cause him physical pain.
Profoundly dumb. But also super weird. And he hates being called weird.
Weird, Old, Loser, Fat...the alpha W.O.L.F.
Wildly overweight limp fuck?
He's starting a rhetoric. He gaslights and soon there'll be a bunch of Americans caught up in her origins and misleading representation of race. And you'll wonder, "How the fuck did that actually stick?"
Yep, it's just the new talking point from their supreme leader. It was "Sleepy Biden" before, now it's "opportunistic race swapping Harris" (he is better with stupid names so he might come up with something more catchy, but that is the general direction).
They will gobble it up like all the shit they parrot all the time.
I had a realisation. Might be true; probably isn't. But I have the feeling Trump read The Art of War.
Many of his actions seem to come straight from that book, but from a person that didn't comprehend it appropriately.
Will there? Maybe the racist ones who would never be voting for her anyway. Good, let them waste their time with it.
It's just a weird thing to say and a weird stance to double-down on.
How dumb is there?
All of it...just all the dumb
Dude literally doesn’t understand that people come from two parents
No, he's legitimately dumb. He knows how to play a crowd, and covers it up a bit by rambling unlike Biden, but he's been observably senile since like 2018, look at how disconnected his speech gets when he goes off script and starts a thought off with something he half-remembered from the news, something grandma would send you on FB, and ends it with something that hasn't been accurate since the 80s.
If you watch his CPAC speeches and stuff, it's almost like there's a conspiracy of silence around showing how bad it is. You just get wacky stories that aren't too believable from dem-alligned media, and "everything's fine, the 79 year old is the most stable genius ever" from conservative media.
The recent interview with the black journalists association missed the perfect opportunity to ask him to draw a clock.
If they already like him, sure. He lost the ability to be entertaining to anyone else a long time ago.
This is what we call an "n+1" problem, as far as I can tell
If you know you might lose a fair fight, but you also know it doesn't matter if you can leverage mob violence, you stoke the flames.
He has to be careful with that or his supporters might not be energized to vote.
Oh how the turntables