30 odd years. EU stopped innovating in 90's to 00's.
One good thing about the current US mercantillism is that people in EU finally notice that they've been asleep at the wheel for decades.
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No, they carried on innovating but followed the money because only major sources of capital outside EU would back their ideas.
Shame on us Europeans.
in the โ90s* to โ00s*
Are you a bot, or is this your hobby?
Can't bots have hobbies?
someone has to make a start
You could add Apple to the avoid american list as they make the m chips.
It's top of the list
laughs in IMEC and ASML
We make the chip specs, advancements, and chip making machines here, but don't design or manufacture the chips ๐
ARM is a UK company that sells more CPUs than Intel and AMD combined. They dominate the mobile market. Literally all phone chips use ARM technology. Their GPUs are not bad for tablets and phones.
They been trying to get their CPUs onto the desktop and server markets for years, and they are beginning to get some success stories on both.
Yes, but they don't design or manufacture their own chips.
A full-European solution just doesn't exist today, but I think an Exynos chip from Samsung is the best compromise.
Licensed from ARM (UK), designed and fabbed by Samsung (South Korea) with equipment from ASML (EU).
ARM main business model is the sell of IP. They fully design their CPUs along with a host of surrounding technologies, like the interconnect. In order to prove their design work and are fit for purpose they have to send to TSMC and other fabs. Small customers buy their IP as is and then integrate it onto their designs. Their most expensive license is the Architectural licence. This means they allow the buyer to completely redesign their Chios, while maintaining compatibility with the Software. Large companies like Apple, Nvidia, Amazon, Samsung and others buy this licence and produce chips like the Exynos, or graviton.
Ah ok, I wasn't aware of that
The problems with ARM is their involvement with Israel.
I mean there is ASML. As I understood you do not manufacture modern chips if you donโt have one of their machines.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ASML_Holding
Edit: Typo
There was (still is?) an AMD (then GlobalFoundries) fab in Dresden, Germany, so some local European know-how does at least exist I believe. Still probably very very far from actually independently competing with the big players
I think due licencing issue of x86 there could be problems. Maybe we need new architecture or RISC-V
Didn't Nvidia try to buy arm in the past?
maybe only hope
Lol good luck
Their supply chains are quite globalized.
There have been mobile competitors like Imagination, but the reality is cutting edge chip design is enormously expensive and hard, and thereโs a big performance gulf. Imagination (and others) canโt afford to fab their own designs, and no one takes them up on it unless itโs a mobile chip or something.
SiPearl was working on a rather massive ARM CPU: https://www.anandtech.com/show/16072/sipearl-lets-rhea-design-leak-72x-zeus-cores-4x-hbm2e-46-ddr5
Looks like the effort is still alive, but it was focused on server stuff and compute.
Thanks for the information! I have added Imagination and SiPearl to the list of hardware alternatives. Gotta start somewhere hehe.
Update: Imagination is headquartered in the UK however most of the ownership of the company is held by the Chinese government.
There are Asian alternatives, not sure about Euro
Somebody could try poking imagination technologies into releasing a powervr based GPU for the PC. They haven't done that since the Kyro 2 in 2001. Been very active in mobile, they powered apple phones for a long time and still pay them licence fees for their home grown tech.
There might be incentive for that now? They totally could especially if some mass shifts to Linux.
Dxvk also makes life monumentally easier for them, in terms of backwards compatibility, and that wasnโt always a good option until recently.
I can't help but think their tile based rendering would be a perfect fit for a chiplet design, making multiple compute chiplets a natural way of doing implementing it with the architecture.
According to the lastest steam hardware survey non-rgb gpus make up 0.23% of the market. Most of that is likely to be Apple Silicon unfortunately.
Though the Pinetime's cpu is designed by a norwegian company called Nordic Semiconductor. Maybe we could look into them for scaling up.
No replacement for gaming chips. However, at least there's a Raspberry Pi to replace all these Intel N100 mini-PC's.
I doubt we'll see powerful gaming CPU's and GPU's anytime soon, if at all.
Not as far as you'd think. Most lithography machine are made by ASML in Europe, can't remember the country but their machines are used by Intel AMD and Nvidia. Problem is that Europe doesn't have the knowledge to use these machines and the fact that they cost millions if not billions.
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