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Donald Trump Does Not Get Post-Shooting Poll Boost (www.newsweek.com)
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[–] Creddit@lemmy.world 134 points 4 months ago (11 children)

lol

It feels like the novelty of an attempted XPOTUS assassination wore off in less than 48 hours. That's crazy.

Nobody around me is even talking about this anymore - not at work, not on social, not at the grocery store, nowhere.

Idk if that's due to everyone being super jaded or because it's Trump. If it's because it's him, then I wonder if it's because nobody gives a shit about him or if it's just not surprising someone would take a shot at him or just because it's irrelevant to his candidacy or what else.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 105 points 4 months ago (3 children)

It's just right-on-right violence; nobody cares.

[–] tiefling@lemmy.blahaj.zone 97 points 4 months ago

It's just another convicted felon getting shot outside a major city, typical gang on gang violence

[–] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 17 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Especially the right. If this kid had a little more left in him they'd never stop. Introspection about the normalization of political violence among conservatives is not something they're interested in.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 23 points 4 months ago

They certainly got quieter once they found out he was a registered Republican.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 9 points 4 months ago

I mean, they're not going to stop regardless -- they'll be blatantly lying about the assassination's motivations to smear the left until the election and beyond. Still, from an election strategy point of view, that's definitely better than them being able to make "both sides" claims that are true.

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[–] rockSlayer@lemmy.world 34 points 4 months ago (2 children)

I actually have a different perspective on it, I think people stopped caring because it was a shooting where "only" 1 person was killed. Gun violence is so normalized that the only 2 reasons it got any coverage at all is because of the timing and the target.

[–] Gullible@lemmy.world 28 points 4 months ago (1 children)

This is potentially the grimmest perspective I’ve ever read. I don’t think you’re wrong, either.

[–] rockSlayer@lemmy.world 24 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Yea, it's a pretty dark realization. I don't feel bad for Trump. I feel bad for every single gun death that has occurred leading to this incident being a minor footnote.

[–] bradorsomething@ttrpg.network 7 points 4 months ago

We didn’t even mention gun violence, the only conversation was motive.

[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 19 points 4 months ago (2 children)

The same week that Jamar Clark, there was a mass shooting at the warehouse district blue line stop. 3-4 people died with a few more shot.

Jamar was shot by cops. The others were shot in a gang dispute (the victims were not associated, but mostly black, the shooter was black, iirc,)

You won’t find the names of the victims anywhere online.

Also, before Sound Bar closed down, there were weekly gang fights spilling out of the joint, into the streets/lot out back.

People were shot monthly with a string of deaths for about 2-3 years.

Then a C-tier Vikings player got winged and suddenly they yeeted the liquor license.

We’re absolutely desensitized and the only time we know about a stranger getting shot is because there was something about the case- killed by cops, the shooter was famous, the victim was famous, or it was some kid, or it was in the context of a mass murder and nothing else was going on.

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[–] Rolder@reddthat.com 33 points 4 months ago (5 children)

Frankly, the most shocking part to me is that it took this long for someone to try, with how unendingly controversial he is

[–] bradorsomething@ttrpg.network 13 points 4 months ago

Given how much he owes construction contractors in New York, yeah.

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[–] JimmyBigSausage@lemm.ee 23 points 4 months ago

It makes sense to me, like, it does not make me want to vote for him.

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[–] bryan@lemmy.sdf.org 100 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Teddy Roosevelt was shot point blank in the chest at a campaign stop. The bullet penetrated his chest after passing through a steal eyeglass case and his 50 page speech. Teddy noted he wasn’t coughing blood and knew he would survive. He calmed the lynch mod down that were going to murder the assassin and then did his speech.

He lost the election despite being a total badass.

Later, Teddy reluctantly ran as VP with McKinley who won the election and was quickly assassinated. Teddy became president and won a second term.

Anyway, attempted assassination isn’t the boost people think it is - even for awesome badasses like Teddy Roosevelt.

[–] agressivelyPassive@feddit.de 28 points 4 months ago (1 children)

The idea was probably rather that the right would spin this as some sort of attack on their existence and go full on Reichstagsbrand.

Playing the victim is the entire Spiel of the far right, it's not implausible that actually being a victim would create a boost from undecided voters.

[–] OneWomanCreamTeam@sh.itjust.works 10 points 4 months ago

Donald Trump could shit himself and they'd try to spin it as a leftist attack on their existence.

[–] uid0gid0@lemmy.world 25 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

He famously started that speech with the line “I don't know whether you fully understand that I have just been shot, but it takes more than that to kill a Bull Moose!”

[–] kikutwo@lemmy.world 85 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Turns out, he's still a POS convicted felon and racist.

[–] mjhelto@lemm.ee 39 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Don't forget convicted r***st and suspected pedophile! ;)

[–] kikutwo@lemmy.world 30 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Too funny, I typed rapist and it autocorrected to racist yet that's even more accurate.

[–] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 21 points 4 months ago

Sometimes when we know there will be a Trump argument with family Trumpers. My wife will yell out at some point of the conversation "He's a racist!" they then spend a bunch of time loading up their talking points. Only for me to go "Honey, didn't you mean rapist" and then she will chime in "Oh yeah, he raped his wife and that 13 year old girl... But he is also racist".

Ends all Trump talk in my experience

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[–] DogPeePoo@lemm.ee 56 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

After the upside down Bible stunt, nobody trusts this incident wasn’t just theater.

The “Wait Wait Wait!” and then subsequent fist pumping looked like he had momentarily forgotten the WWE script

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 13 points 4 months ago

I don't even think it's that. I think it's that no one really cares since it changed nothing. His supporters don't care because he survived and it's the same reason why the people who are against him don't care.

[–] Varyk@sh.itjust.works 7 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I haven't heard of that, what's the upside down Bible stunt?

[–] PixelatedSaturn@lemmy.world 48 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Maybe it's because everybody is already so used to his drama.

[–] Evilcoleslaw@lemmy.world 19 points 4 months ago (1 children)

High on my own drama?!

[–] AEGIS2317 14 points 4 months ago (1 children)

i lived in new york, i know what a baggel is.

[–] BigBrainBrett2517@lemmy.world 10 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Eurgh, you're the worst.

[–] caboose2006@lemmy.ca 8 points 4 months ago

I think you mean "wurst"

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[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 41 points 4 months ago

The best possible news.

[–] n1ck_n4m3@lemmy.world 36 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Repeat after me:

Polls are bullshit. Polls have always been bullshit. Polls only real impact is to allow people to manipulate statistics to lull voters in a false sense of confidence or security in order to stop them from voting.

Ignore the polls, especially the polls that say your side is winning or the other side is losing. Polls are a very, very effective way to convince voters to stay home without ever asking them or telling them to stay home.

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[–] 58008@lemmy.world 26 points 4 months ago (2 children)

I've never been so happy to be wrong in my life. I thought this would have been the ultimate booster for him, virtually guaranteeing him a huge victory. I'm so relieved people aren't quite as cattle-like as I feared.

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[–] the_crotch@sh.itjust.works 24 points 4 months ago (4 children)

I'm actually shocked. I dispise trump but I still thought that image of him holding up his fist and shouting "fight!" was p badass. I thought for sure that, plus sympathy, would give him a big push. I'm relieved it didn't.

[–] Huckledebuck@sh.itjust.works 12 points 4 months ago (3 children)

How far away was the dead guy behind him while he was standing triumphantly with a fist in the air?

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[–] jlh@lemmy.jlh.name 11 points 4 months ago

Trying to provoke a civil war scares moderates. You don't want to be badass after an assassination attempt, you want to be stable.

[–] jballs@sh.itjust.works 10 points 4 months ago (1 children)

For me, the coolness of "fight!" fist pump was completely ruined by him first making sure that he had his high heel shoes on.

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[–] MuAraeOracle@real.lemmy.fan 17 points 4 months ago (3 children)

You could say trump was shot down in the polls.

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[–] finestnothing@lemmy.world 16 points 4 months ago

The poll ran friday-sunday and got most of their responses before the shooting even happened...

[–] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 15 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

One theory is that the incumbent benefits more from uncertainty like an assassination attempt because they're more of a known quantity. That might be offsetting the increased support for Trump.

https://youtu.be/I_Sq9LHmmbU

[–] overload@sopuli.xyz 8 points 4 months ago

That's interesting, good point. I guess it's a bit of a strange situation where Trump is also kind of incumbent.

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[–] psycho_driver@lemmy.world 11 points 4 months ago

He's all tapped out and headed for his third big loss in a row.

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