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[–] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 148 points 2 months ago (6 children)

Every loved song was at one point a new song tho

[–] otacon239@lemmy.world 81 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Nope.

Nostalgia good

New bad

[–] Noodle07@lemmy.world 20 points 2 months ago

Some tracks need a few listens to like them

[–] Kraven_the_Hunter@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Sweet Caroline has always existed

[–] SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] Whats_your_reasoning@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I know you're joking, but clearly you've never seen it performed by a rando with a guitar in a nursing home.

For the residents, clapping to Sweet Caroline is the highlight of their day.

Not that there's a high standard in nursing homes, but that song in particular seems to light the people up. Considering what hell such places can be, I can't help but appreciate the heart-lifting power of Sweet Caroline.

[–] twinnie@feddit.uk 6 points 2 months ago

I’ll listen to it on the radio a few times before I decide if I like it.

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[–] neidu3@sh.itjust.works 52 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (4 children)

With my favorite band, every new record was "not as good as what came before". But after getting used to, it got there as well.

I have concluded that familiarity brings a feeling of quality in music.

It takes a while to learn the minutia of what makes a particular song great. And the more complex and lengthy a song is, the longer it takes to fully appreciate it.

[–] TheFriar@lemm.ee 4 points 2 months ago

Yeah, people who can only get into the old shit just have a hard time letting go of the past. Live a little, friends.

(That said, there are some bands who peaked a long time ago, are going on reunion tours, and yeah, usually the new stuff sucks.)

[–] jaschen@lemm.ee 4 points 2 months ago

Stone Temple Pilots was one of those bands for me.

[–] Natanox@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 2 months ago

Can't confirm. Of course the first time you listen to a new song isn't the same since you don't know what to expect, but from then on you can vibe to it even better for a while since it's new. I'd even assume this is the reason for the "repeat song" feature and why some people listen to a single new song for hours.

Dunno, I have a hard time understanding your perspective.

[–] wolframhydroxide@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

While they aren't generally stylistically complex, some songs with complex nonsense lyrics seem, at least to me as a young American, to be the ones that are simultaneously easiest to appreciate for a great many people, and also have huge staying power, despite being quite old. For example:
American Pie
Hotel California
We Didn't Start the Fire
Don't Stop Believing
Bohemian Rhapsody (or, really, most things by Queen)

These, at least among the places I've been here in America, are the ones to which everyone in the bar starts singing along. Sure, these have underlying meaning, or make references to specific events, but in my experience, most of the people I hear singing and dancing to these have no idea what they're referencing, and often don't even know the words. Perhaps it is simply that they are so overplayed that they get those "multiple listens" of which you speak? Or is there something inherently compelling in the seeking of meaning in complex, random lyrics, such that people are immediately drawn in?

[–] turkalino@lemmy.yachts 36 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Why complain? If you only wanna hear their old shit, this is a great opportunity to get another drink or rock a piss

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[–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 25 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Counterpoint:

"This next one is the first song on our new album which just came out this week. It's called Surrender."

Cheap Trick Live at Budokan!

[–] Jessica@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 2 months ago

The internet continues to be a humbling experience lol. I literally had this same thought when reading the comic, and I wasn't even looking for it in the comments because I thought it was too obscure

[–] mPony@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago (3 children)

yeah but performing it right after I Want You To Want Me? It would be very "new vibe" if they recorded it in North America. (assuming that was an accurate performance order and not rearranged in post)

but the audience at Budokan? They're going absolutely bonkers the entire time. It's so great.

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[–] Klear@sh.itjust.works 18 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

A couple of years ago I was at an Asian Dub Foundation concert and at the end they played a fresh new song to the point the singer had the lyrics pulled up in his phone and rapped from that, because he wasn't sure he'd not mess it up.

It was awesome and very endearing.

[–] VitoRobles@lemmy.today 3 points 2 months ago

I like that a lot. Don't know if it was a expensive concert but I like going to shows where the ticket price is cheap, and the musicians tell people it's a work in progress.

[–] ecvanalog@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

I love that. I get a huge dopamine hit from the novelty of seeing a new (or rare) song performed…but then I tend to obsess on a few acts rather than having a lot of bands I might go see.

[–] AI_toothbrush@lemmy.zip 13 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Btw why is this. Why do i have to listen 10 times to a song before i start enjoying it? Some ofy favourite songs are ones that i didnt like for a while.

[–] VitoRobles@lemmy.today 7 points 2 months ago

I'm sure it's some psychology name to it.

Thinking through it from my perspective, it's because we put up barriers with anything new.

First thought: "Does this fit with what I know this musician for?"

Second thought: "Does this hit the vibe or energy I want?"

Third thought: "What is the hook or thing that makes it memorable?"

If any of them fail, I immediately feel disgusted. Not to say I won't change my mind.

[–] wolframhydroxide@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

I posted this in a different comment thread on this post, but I would be interested to hear your perspective:

While they aren't generally stylistically complex, some songs with complex nonsense lyrics seem, at least to me as a young American, to be the ones that are simultaneously easiest to appreciate for a great many people, and also have huge staying power, despite being quite old. For example:
American Pie
Hotel California
We Didn't Start the Fire
Don't Stop Believing
Bohemian Rhapsody (or, really, most things by Queen)
These, at least among the places I've been here in America, are the ones to which everyone in the bar starts singing along. Sure, these have underlying meaning, or make references to specific events, but in my experience, most of the people I hear singing and dancing to these have no idea what they're referencing, and often don't even know the words. Perhaps it is simply that they are so overplayed that they get those "multiple listens" of which you speak? Or is there something inherently compelling in the seeking of meaning in complex, random lyrics, such that people are immediately drawn in?

[–] AI_toothbrush@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I think the thing with these hit songs is that they have a part of their lyrics that is very simple that everyone sings along to(even if incorrectly) and general sound of them is also so ordinary and simple that people get used to them fast. If you hear a song thats very different from everything else you ever heard you need time to get used to it but if you hear one of these you can relate it to something you already heard. Thats my two cents i guess.

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[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 11 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I have discovered the objective of musicians is to create a popular enough discography that you never have to write new music again. It certainly isn’t their objective when they’re starting out, but any longstanding act pretty much plays a repertoire of greatest hits. They might throw in some “new” album stuff that nobody is interested in, people are just there to hear what they love.

[–] VitoRobles@lemmy.today 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It's weird. I saw Wheatus perform recently and he did a bunch of songs I wasn't familiar with. Then he played his most famous song, "Teenage Dirtbag", that they made in like 2000.

The band is like grandparents age, singing a song about teenagers. And it was incredible.

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I’ve been seeing a bunch of ‘80s bands in concert lately singing their bestof’s and some newer stuff. Of course they’re old and singing songs about young person’s lives. I don’t find the disparity between their age and the subject matter offputting. The downside to older musicians singing songs they made when young is that age keeps them from hitting the high notes or anything that’s too hard on the voice. They just can’t do it. The music and being there is still fun, though.

[–] reboot6675@sopuli.xyz 10 points 2 months ago

Usually artists go on tour after releasing a new album, to promote said album. So of course they're going to play new stuff.

The ideal for me is a good balance. Some new songs mixed with the classics.

[–] itsgroundhogdayagain@lemmy.ml 9 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I saw Bob Dylan in concert like 15 years ago. He played all new stuff except for the encore. I know these artists aren't a jukebox but come on, man.

[–] Gold_E_Lox@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago

i yhink this has always been dulans MO

[–] Zorque@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago

"No talking! No new crap! Takin' Care of Business! Now!"

[–] Ellvix@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago

I saw an interview from a band talking about this problem. They said it was a tough balancing act. The people there live want to hear the classics and don't want new stuff. But anyone watching remotely or watching the video later already has their favorite versions of the classics and doesn't want to hear them again, they want new stuff. You have to do both and it's hard.

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 2 points 2 months ago
[–] lka1988@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 months ago

Chevelle did this on their most recent tour. The album isn't quite finished yet and, according to a podcast their frontman appeared on last month, they ended up reworking quite a bit of that song.

I'm excited for it, but Chevelle is one of my favorite bands, so...

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