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[–] audiomodder@lemmy.blahaj.zone 35 points 1 month ago (2 children)

You know what “radicalized” me? Existing in a poorly regulated capitalist system.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 23 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Even regulated Capitalism is brutal, unsustainable, and dangerous.

[–] bizarroland@fedia.io 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It's almost like no matter how old or how advanced we get we need somebody to break up our fights and to make us share our toys so that our little siblings can play with them.

That's kind of weird but treating any sufficiently large group of humans like a child eventually becomes a necessity to prevent them from turning into an unregulated group of psychopaths.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It's almost like no matter how old or how advanced we get we need somebody to break up our fights and to make us share our toys so that our little siblings can play with them.

Sure, even in Socialism and Communism there would be laws and a government.

That's kind of weird but treating any sufficiently large group of humans like a child eventually becomes a necessity to prevent them from turning into an unregulated group of psychopaths.

I don't think this has any bearing in reality, it just sounded nice in your head.

[–] bizarroland@fedia.io 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Kay : A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

No, I don't. People work better socially than individually.

[–] bizarroland@fedia.io 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It's a quote from Men in Black.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I disagree with the ideas you're presenting through Men in Black quotes.

[–] bizarroland@fedia.io 0 points 1 month ago

Your disagreement has been noted

[–] Squirrel@thelemmy.club 3 points 1 month ago

That about sums it up, yeah. My beliefs aren't radical, but my thoughts on the means that should be taken to realize them are becoming more radical.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 24 points 1 month ago (1 children)

To be fair, wanting to entirely restructure society is radical in the sense that it's a fringe view, not that it's illogical. It is logical, just uncommon.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 month ago

That said, it's pretty clear that people in the political mainstream see the system as a being perfectly sensible. They genuinely do believe that ideas such as redistribution of property are radical in the sense of being extreme.

[–] midnight_puker@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 month ago

I, for one, happen to think that basic human decency is pretty radical 😎

[–] Smorty@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 1 month ago

What do you mean global healthcare? You should have to earn your living!

~ someone who was born into a rich family

[–] kwomp2@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 month ago (3 children)

All of y'all need to get into the original meaning of that word. Radical basically just means "take a problem by it's roots".

The interesting part is what type of society/politics makes that some kind of slur.

Materialism is thinking of things and their development on the grounds of history and causality, like a play of material and its organisational emergent forms (like ideas and their neurons). Whereas Idealism means imagining some kind of methaphysical structure or idea behind thins, like a god or ghost (Geist, Hegel, Kant...).

Utopia refers to an imagined, but possible world. When well done/thought, it is what you think and feel about how things could be. By definition this seems impossible regarding the currwnt state of affairs, and utopia will never come put as you imagined it. History is too complex for that. It is still necessary to be able to think utopia somewhat, otherwise one cannot hope and everything is eiter determined or irrelevant.

[–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)
[–] folkrav@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I agree with your takeaway, although the "extreme" definition is right next to it and is perfectly valid too. It's indeed interesting how loaded the word is by default.

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a: very different from the usual or traditional : extreme
b: favoring extreme changes in existing views, habits, conditions, or institutions
c: associated with political views, practices, and policies of extreme change
d: advocating extreme measures to retain or restore a political state of affairs
the radical right

[–] jsomae@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 month ago

Radicalism is relative. The right could probably say something about Jesus in the same vein.

[–] Isoprenoid@programming.dev -5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I figured that one out when I was, like, 8 years old.

That's not the best argument to use. There are a lot of plans that 8 year olds make, and most of them suck.

[–] kudos@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Calling it a plan is a wild overstatement. It's an observation, and it's a pretty simple one conceptually.

[–] Isoprenoid@programming.dev -1 points 1 month ago (2 children)

If it's so simple, why can't the US get it right? Isn't it the greatest country in the world?

[–] JackGreenEarth@lemm.ee 4 points 1 month ago

The greatest country in the nation 😎

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 month ago

The US cannot get it right because it's the worst nation in the world and the most powerful currently.