Both sides are bad, votes third party.
this post was submitted on 12 Jun 2024
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This guy gets it
Both sides are bad. that's factually correct information
Turd Sandwich or Massive Douche.
Both sides are bad
It's jut that one is kinda great with a bunch of bad things, the other is a pineapple up your ass nightmare shitshow.
Which one to choose, choices choices choices...
One is implied as guilty of genocide because their companies sold weapons to and haven't actively prevented their use in an overseas conflict they have no authority over.
The other is s convicted felon, who is also likely guilty of treason, actively fights democracy and has been caught in blatant lies, wants to take the country back 150 years in civil rights, actively seeking campaign funding by selling out the global climate futures and thinks we should use nukes to combat weather we don't like.
I don't know how Americans can choose
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Is it even fair to call them bad if you immediately also admit that they're "kinda great"?
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Nah, some of us just aren't delusional and see how both sides are ineffective, ignore their constituents, corrupt(look at the stock trading of any politician for an example), and a whole host of other problems. Some of us want a party we can actually support, not just "the lesser of two evils". Itd be nice to have a candidate that you actually want to vote for on their own merits.
But nah, just paint us as whiny conservatives trying to trick you, not your fellow Democrats who are fed up with the shit show we've been fed our entire lives. This is one of the most pathetic Democrat Defenses: "if you don't agree with us, you're really a smelly conservative!". Nah, I just don't agree that you have the ability or desire to actually make things better. And I'm not gonna keep a broken system on life support just for your comfort. I WANT the system to collapse because it's already a mockery of what it should be. If it collapses, we either go full authoritarian and stop pretending we're not(so at least we're finally honest), or maybe, just maybe, a different voice can rise up for once.
Either way, better than voting for Giant Douche vs Turd Sandwich and continuing the same broken system for another 100 years.
For all the people down voting me, does the following sound familiar? "Election happens. Told Vote D or a R wins and everything will be worse! Elect a D. They can't get anything done because the Rs prevent them. Rs proceed to win next election and completely change major laws on a whim. Ds continue to complain that they can't stop the Rs". So why would I vote for a party that openly admits they can't get shit done? The entire Democrat playbook is "The Republicans wouldn't let us". Fuck that bullshit. If you can't see it for the scam it is, you deserve this bullshit. It's a party of eunichs. It needs to die and be replaced with an actually progressive party, not another shade of R.
This is such a bewildering take. You can yadda yadda corruption on both sides but when the platform of one side is "making your and your neighbors lives better" and the platform of the other side is "straight-up fascism; we want to put people in camps," the arithmetic is clear.
You'll never ever ever be able to vote for a perfect candidate. You might as well vote to make your country a better place to live.
Remind me what the Dems actually get done. They CLAIM to be progressives, but oddly they always seem to get stopped. They had how long to codify row vs wade into law and they didn't. Republicans swooped it away in seconds like it was nothing. So which party actually gets shit done when they're in power? It's not the Dems. They're incredibly ineffectual while the Rs just run the board.
You can say all the nice shit in the world, but if you can't actually get anything done, you're worthless.
Honestly at this point, the smartest move Dems could make is voting R. Infiltrate the party that actually gets shit done from he inside and steer them differently. Fill the R party with so many progressives what we move the Overton window back. But that would take concentrated effort and the Dems don't have the stomach for dirty games, even if those are the rules that need to be played by now.
They had how long to codify row vs wade into law and they didn't.
Democrats have had 6 months since 1993 with a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate, plus control of the house and White House. Outside of that narrow window during Obama’s first term, they would never have been able to codify Roe v Wade. They used that time to pass the ACA.
Exactly my point. They have all that time and can't get it done because of the Republicans. Republicans got it done tho, didn't they? So which party holds actual power? So why should I vote D when they can only muster 6 months of actual power in the last 3 decades? Why would I think voting for them would matter at all? Even when elected they're eunichs. Thanks for proving my point.
Republicans got it done tho, didn't they?
Shrinking the government, reducing services, shutting down programs and deregulating are all much easier than passing laws to guarantee new rights or build new programs. Democrats’ priorities are generally to build new things, Republicans’ are to obstruct or destroy.
So why should I vote D when they can only muster 6 months of actual power in the last 3 decades?
The Inflation Reduction Act is the single largest clean energy policy ever enacted. Just because Democrats are blocked from achieving all of their goals doesn’t mean they are accomplishing nothing.
Hey look guys! In 30 years the Ds did a thing! That totally balances out the 100s of things the Rs have done in the same time!
You said it yourself "they're blocked from achieving their goals". The best supercar in the world is outrun by a toddler if it has no gas. I'd rather vote for a toddler than the guy claiming "we'll have gas soon. Just as soon as we convince the gas station to sell it to us and the bank to honor our card and...."
I pointed out one recent, big accomplishment. If you’re genuinely unaware of anything else they’ve done, you’re welcome to read some of the lengthy lists others have posted in these comments.
You're literally the one who said that since 1993 they have only had 6 months of actual unopposed power. You're literally the person saying "In the last 3 decades, the Democrats have only had the ability to do anything for a grand total of 6 months."
How the fuck isn't that an ineffectual party? Would you go to a doctor that can only help you for 6 months out of 30 YEARS? But somehow this is okay when talking about the Democrats? You're not immediately thinking "well what have these jackasses been doing this whole time?".
Cus you absolutely should. And if you're only answer is "well the Rs are better at it than them", you either have to change tactics or find another team. You've already admitted you're the losers.
Going back to the car metaphor: you're over here complaining that you could do so many things with your supercar, if only the Rs would let you have some gas. Meanwhile, there are electric supercars being built that don't need gas. A completely different avenue to take. Instead of fighting for gas, you just build the best electric supercar instead and outrun them.
The Dems are over here begging for gas when there are plenty of other parties building that electric supercar.
You fundamentally misunderstand what's necessary for Republicans to accomplish their goals vs Democrats to accomplish their goals. Overturning Roe and codifying Roe are two completely different branches of the government. You really need to brush up on civics.
Who got what they wanted? Rs. Who lost what they wanted? Ds.
It's the same story over and over but you want to convince us that "this time it's different!".
Well, when you guys actually start getting shit done, I'll support you. But if it's "at least you're not voting for X", nah, go jump off a cliff. It's the party of doers vs the party of "we try really hard but somehow keep failing and our only idea is to blame the other guys".
But both sides ARE bad. Still, go vote.
It's ok to be critical of our politicians regardless of which "team" they're on. We should all be holding their feet to the fire every day.
Then they better get started earning those votes
The "vote democrat to save democracy, you must vote one party, .. for democracy" seems like Orwellian doublespeak at this point, because if you look at the numbers, democracy is about to be heavily eroded over time by the democrats. I'm not even registered to vote, but it's obvious to see the tactics being pushed and enacted.
both sides aren't bad.
one side is bad. the other side is a comically evil, fucking nightmare that is going to make sure all future generations for the foreseeable future will suffer things that can be avoided by voting for the "bad" side.
don't be stupid. one side is banning abortion, is going to go after simple contraceptives next, and will certainly ban gay marriage as soon as possible. their obsession with trans people is just a foot in the door.
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You do realize that you can vote third party and they maybe better aligned with your values?
The only people taking people’s power away are those telling us that we have to choose between the candidates we don’t like and ignore the ones that we do agree with.
I as an Arab American will not vote for someone enabling the death and destruction of my people. Call us Russian trolls all you want.
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