that is just sad. yet so many will say sexism does not exist
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Pretty sure racism is also involved
The funny thing is that in my experience female programmers usually have above average skills. I suspect it’s exactly because of this bias against women in tech. Where an average or below average dude can easily get by, this is much harder for women. As a result this bias acts as a kind of filter which results in female programmers being on average a little better than male programmers because all the average or below average ones get filtered out early.
A hello world in MIPS is impressive by itself.
I'd be impressed by anyone who could "Hello, world" in MIPS
Basically they're scared and intimidated. Here is a person who is beautiful and intelligent and has made something of herself and that highlights their own inabilities.
I think sexism is only part of the problem, they'd have a similar response to a male model who had a successful tech career.
That's certainly a part of the problem here, but let's be honest: how often do tabloids or other low effort media publish such "inspirational" stories that turn out to be absolute bullshit. Like the 10 year old who invented some quantum stuff, but actually his father just let him play around with some tools in the lab.
This story here unfortunately fits exactly this pattern, but apparently just happens to be true.
It's annoying sometimes that people just assume that those who don't work in tech are completely clueless about tech.
It's also really funny to mess with people who assumes that.
Tech is a weirdly wide term. Does it only include IT? Engineering? Astrophysics?
A lot of work is "tech" as in technology related. It is inevitable to be clueless about a lot of technology, even when being the spearhead of development in one specific field.
Meanwhile you don't need to tell the guys at the car-shop about programming, but they most likely know more about every non computer part of the car you just brought to them for repairs, because you were clueless about where that weird sound comes from.
I manage a software engineering organization at an aerospace company and if I had to rank all my folks, the women would be disproportionately high on the list. It boggles my mind that anyone would discount someone's programming ability because of their gender.
I don't think it's mostly gender... Programmers aren't usually those that have won the genetic lottery, I can count on one hand the amount of drop dead women engineers I've met in my field, they definitely exist, but they are super rare.
If we leave out fields that revolve around beauty and adjust for intelligence required in the specific field of work i am not sure, if beauty is actually negatively correlated with engineering.
I don't see a higher rate of beautiful people on the train to work, than i see at work. I just see more on the train, because there is more people overall.
I'm sure she's a programmer. But she's a programmer who drops her Stack Overflow score... let's just say that's a red flag in my book. (For all programmers).
For non programmers, it's like someone dropping their reddit karma score, or the number of their subscribers on Youtube as the first thing they say. Basically "my most important accomplishment is some rather unimportant digits".
(Views matter far more than subscribers on youtube, mostly because subscribers can easily be manipulated)
ITT: basically a reddit comment section on a post with any woman.
Guess the "it feels like Lemmy is more positive" days are over. So it goes.
Every top comment is positive, are you deliberately sorting by controversial?
The post looked different 9 months ago.
I didn't realize I was sorting by top of all time, that's my dumbassery at play 😅
What are you talking about? Literally every post with more score than yours is positive and mocking the bigots in the post.
If anything a statement like this reminds me of reddit where <1% has voted and commented but some bad takes are already attributed to the other 99%. (But the good comments are also way older than your post...)
ITT: people getting upvoted for whining about posts from fragile males, while the few such posts are downvoted to oblivion.
So people keep mentioning downvoting...I'm new to Lemmy but have chosen Reddthat for now. It doesn't not show or allow downvoting I assume? Does this thread truly give you the option to downvote?
Some instances don't allow downvoting. This means, if you are on such an instance, you cannot downvote, not even stuff on other instances.
I don't understand why people absolutely need to make everything about man vs woman.
If it was a male model those people would have written exactly the same. If tomorrow comes out an article saying the same thing about bred pitt everyone would be suspicious about that being fake too
Since the two jobs are so disconnected from each other it sounds unlikely and they assumed it was some clickbait fake post, that's all.
I'm absolutely for equality and against any discrimination against women or any other category, but making this into a gender battle is ridiculous
Tbf, the original photo was already discounting her abilities. Saying "can program code" for a lead SWE is saying like "can do calculus" for a physicist.
In their defense, maybe the post was written by some journalist with no technical background at all and doesn't know the difference.
Very much so. Many non-technical people are still very much in awe when someone drops names of programming languages. And it kinda makes sense. If they have no idea, they naturally equate it to spoken languages. And if someone goes like "I speak these 7 languages", most people would be mightily impressed.
But if you know a few programming languages, adding another similar one might be a matter of hours.
And that list of languages in the article is pretty standard for a BS in CS: a bunch of standard, common languages and one assembly language.
Likely they covered MIPS assembly at university. MIPS is a comparatively simple architecture and thus is used a lot in CS courses.
The thing here is, if they really wanted to show off that she's got a good carreer and doing something remarkable, they could have just done what she did in her comment. List her current position and maybe her education.
I'd not be very happy if someone were to present my skills and achivements as "Can use these programming languages".
Also, once you're moderately good at programming, language doesn't matter much. You can pick up a new high level language relatively easily if needed. Low level languages might be harder for some people though, because it takes a fairly different mindset. Personally, I love low level programming, though it's not very time efficient to write.
Yeah, once you've got a few languages under your belt, it's all about concepts. If you end up learning a new language that follows completely different paradigms, you are back to square one. But most of the time you can go like "Ah, so concept X of the new language works similar to concept Y of that language I already know."
So she's a dev who does modelling. Good for her? But what's the big deal?
If the picture showed some ugly guy with the same list of skills, nobody would bat an eye. The list of languages seem like pretty regular set of languages (with the exception of MIPS, where I guess it means MIPS assembler, but most people who studied computer science pick up the one or the other random weird language by the wayside).
Of course, the comments of these idiots that are attacking her are idiotic, but I think the author of the text on the picture is falling for a similar pitfall, being surprised that someone who does modelling would have an intellectual carreer next to it.
All of them (except of course the dev in question) fall for the same idiotic misconception: They believe a woman can either be intelligent or good looking.
Yeah... hostile work environment... sure
Itt: people getting upset over joke comments.
If there was a post about a male model saying the same thing the comments would be exactly the same. Not everything is about gender or race.
Guess what, if that was some pumped-up muscle-bound male model that was 3/4 naked walking down the runway, people would be saying similar things about him too.
I always sort of hated this image. The point seems to be that one should jump to the idea the replies are racist and / or sexist. But when you actually look at who the post is from it’s clearly from some “facts” account / company thing. Which honestly should lead to a degree of incredulity. It’s the same kind of thing as “this 22yr old bought just their second house” and then you read two paragraphs and actually their parents gave them a small loan of a million dollars to start their real estate business.
Like, the whole point of the post is to bait people into saying that kind of thing, so when people fall for it it’s kinda understandable.