Good Risk/Benefit analysis from Dr. Robert Cywes https://youtu.be/yIZ4d7aTsHM
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Library
The relation of alimentation and disease - Salisbury 1888
The fat of the land - Stefansson - 1946
That's all great advice. The only things I eat with an ingredients list are cheese and yoghurt. I reckon they're the most complex recipes worth buying (though home made yoghurt competes well against commercial offerings)
My flow chart is simpler
- Are you okay after 2 months on carnivore? Carry on.
Though I won't hold it against a person if they are ethically against meat eating – we can't feed everyone on just meat
And I'm also more reactive to lots of common plant foods than most, so I'm not one to tell you if you can thrive on just low carb
Fantastic meta-resource with links to everything
Great resource on the sustainable ecology of carnivore
I'm happy to have a discussion and answer any questions, as long as the conversation is civil and both parties are thoughtful and considering the other persons words and content. Just throwing a wall of talking points up isn't going to help anyone, especially if the response to counter points is repeating the talking points but in a different order.
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The Science behind Carnivore
The sad truth is there is very few studies of Carnivore nutrition. What we do have is very scant:
- Published Observational Data https://hackertalks.com/post/5717714
- Classic 1930's study of a pure carnivore diet for a YEAR in super controlled conditions https://hackertalks.com/post/5692899
Other then that, its almost totally absent.
Poor Science transfer to different metabolic states
Numerous people will try to conflate observational data against meat in general to carnivore. While I don't think the anti-meat studies are strong science, observational and no RCTs, weak hazard ratios, etc... That is moot anyway because..... Carnivore is a from of a LCHF/Ketogenic diet - which is a radically different metabolism from the "normal standard diet". We have to evaluate the effect of plants, nutrition, minerals, etc in the context of a ketogenic metabolism (the human traditional metabolism).
Dietary Guidelines
Carnivore does not hit Dietary guidelines (especially Vitamin C). The question if the Guidelines are the peak health requirements, again need to be in the context of a ketogenic metabolism. Many dietary guidelines were not established by RCT science, but by observing dietary patterns of "healthy" people... in the context of a high carbohydrate glycogenic metabolism. In fact many of the Recommended Daily Minimums are not set for optimum health but by the level required to avoid a specific medical conditions (i.e. iodine and goiters).
Summary
Carnivore has weak mainstream support, and very weak scientific literature, but no contraindications. It is sustainable as identified in the year long study above, and carnivore populations of humans before they westernized. Is it the optimal diet for human health? We don't have the hard data.
Personally I think Carnivore is a option if you are having trouble, but it should be considered a more adventurous option where you have to pay close attention to your nutrition and health. You will see 90% of the benefit by just doing a LCHF/Keto diet, and if that isn't enough THEN try Carnivore.