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Russia: Man accused of organizing LGBTQ+ tours dies in jail (www.dw.com)

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Summary

Andrei Kotov, a Russian travel agency director accused of organizing LGBTQ+ tours, died in pre-trial detention in Moscow.

Authorities claim his death was a suicide, but rights groups highlight previous reports of beatings and abuse during his arrest.

Kotov was charged with “extremist activities” after Russia banned the LGBTQ+ movement as extremist in 2023, intensifying its crackdown on LGBTQ+ rights.

He denied organizing specific LGBTQ+ events, calling them ordinary tours.

His death has raised concerns about the treatment of detainees and the broader suppression of dissent in Russia.

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[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 103 points 4 days ago (1 children)

russia is a terror state

[+] blindbunny@lemmy.ml -102 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (4 children)

Every state is a terror state

[–] chronicledmonocle@lemmy.world 72 points 4 days ago (3 children)

No. This is a BS "both sides" type argument.

There are other terror states. Iran, China, Russia, Afghanistan, and many more, but there are many countries that focus on freedom and democratic values. Some might be slipping into tyrannical government's slowly (looking at you US of A), but even those are nowhere near the levels Russia is.

[–] stepan@lemmy.ca 3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

What's a terror state?

[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 1 points 2 days ago

i would categorize a terror state as being a state (naion, country, or empire) in which terrorism is a regular fact of life that is either tolerated or implemented by the official wielders of power. on some level, i do actually agree that every state is a terrorist state, but given that, the term loses value, so instead, i prefer to think of the term as representative of a spectrum. on one end of the spectrum you have states like the Netherlands who go along with terror implemented by their allies but do go out of their way to condemn it. unfortunately, in our current global status, this is probably as good as it gets. on the opposite end of the spectrum you have a state like the russian federation that keeps everyone, at home and abroad, under the boot heel of oppression. the key with russia it they are a one stop terror shop. there's not much obfuscation of who's doing the terror or why. as for where my nation sits, the united states: it's not great! i'd say we're pretty far over into the terrorist state spectrum

[–] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 31 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Sure, but some are clearly worse. Like Russia

[–] hungryphrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 3 days ago (1 children)

hell yeah anarchism time

[–] EndlessApollo@lemmy.world 14 points 4 days ago

You don't think Russia is tho

[–] febra@lemmy.world 25 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Russia is a shithole state

[–] __nobodynowhere@startrek.website 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

But Putin is sexy and I hate the gays!

[–] Dasus@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago

Don't forget your "/s", please.

You'd be surprised how necessary it is.

[–] Skiluros@sh.itjust.works 35 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Horrible death to die in the hands of some vile thugs.

[+] eldavi@lemmy.ml -14 points 4 days ago (1 children)

i have that thought every single time i see someone get arrested by the police in the united states; i hope to myself that they don't experience the same fate that most brown people like me experience at the hands of those thugs.

[–] Skiluros@sh.itjust.works 19 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

I have had interactions with police in both russia and US (I am not white). It is not even close.

Police in the US clearly do a lot of very bad, brutal things, but they still have a measure of self-control.

Russian police are literally more like open criminals without any sort of accountability (outside of targetting say the son of a well connected government thug or oligarch by mistake). Russian police are completely unhinged.

[+] eldavi@lemmy.ml -9 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Police in the US clearly do a lot of very bad brutal things, but they still have measure of self-control.

was that self control in the room with them when they beat that that guy to death last weekend while he was still cuffed down the entire time?

[–] Skiluros@sh.itjust.works 13 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Have you ever dealt with russian police? And if yes, in what context? What is your russian like, what level is it?

Keep in mind I explicitly said that US police are brutal.

[+] eldavi@lemmy.ml -7 points 4 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

Why does it have to be a competition?

ACAB!

[–] Lemjukes@lemm.ee 15 points 3 days ago (1 children)

You did when you tried to make a pretty weak equivalency argument.

[–] Skiluros@sh.itjust.works 5 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Because "ACAB" is not a viable approach. Even in a society where all the oligarchs and their lackeys are serving multi-decade prison terms, you still need a police institution.

And framing this as a "competition" inherently whitewashes the crimes of the russian police.

[–] eldavi@lemmy.ml -1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

You misunderstand ACAB in the same way your buddies understand "all lives matter"

[–] Skiluros@sh.itjust.works 4 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Why do you assume I or my buddies have any opinion on “all lives matter”. I am not from the US.

I am talking about practical, real world matters. A good police institution, one that is loyal to society and not to oligarchs/crooks is something to strive for. Meaningless, self-indulgent polemics such as "ACAB" (if you can even call this a polemic) is not the way to go.

[–] eldavi@lemmy.ml -3 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Then you might be forgivable for not understanding what ACAB means; but not so if you refuse to accept that people who look like me in my country are generally aware that having to involve the police for anything can be just as dangerous as it was for the poor person in op's post.

[–] Skiluros@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 days ago

Where did I say I don't recognize the brutality and the dysfunction of the US police?

So what do I not understand about ACAB?

I am not talking about US internal polemics. I am saying that a concept such as "ACAB" is not fundamentally not viable. You need a police force. One that takes the side of the people when things get tough.