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[–] CyberEgg@discuss.tchncs.de 22 points 6 days ago

As it was planned ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[–] g7s 6 points 5 days ago (1 children)

As to be expected. Thanks to the backstabbing FDP. I hope they vanish.

[–] trollercoaster@sh.itjust.works 7 points 5 days ago (1 children)

They will come back. As they do every time. Just wait one or two election periods, then they'll be back under new leadership, with yet another flashy advertising campaign targeting dumb first time voters, who will, once more, fall for that trick.

The FDP desn't need many members nor many voters to maintain its financing, they get plenty of ~~donations~~ bribes in return for their services to the ultra rich. They can and will manage a few years with bad election results.

[–] Melchior 2 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I am honestly not too sure about that. The AFD has very similar positions and is able to actually win elections.

If they actually win enough to gain power, there won't be any future election periods anymore.

I'd prefer not to contemplate that increasingly realistic possibility, but here we are.

[–] trollercoaster@sh.itjust.works 2 points 5 days ago (4 children)

His own party votes "no confidence" for the very guy they're putting up as their lead candidate for the next election. Everything you ever need to know about honesty in politics.

[–] Saleh 8 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

I think the no-confidence vote to make way for new elections isn't the bad part here. The bad part is this insane idea, that he can be successful again, after having had to end his government prematurely.

The SPD already tried that move with Schröder. We got 16 years of Merkel out of it... And if the SPD would be anywhere close to the results Schröder achieved back then, they would party for three days straight.

That, too.

They aren't only blatantly lying, they are stupid enough to believe their own lies.

On the other hand, I'm not that sad about the SPD's demise. Since Schröder turned them into a CDU in red, they are redundant. The problem is that nothing filled the giant void that the SPD's reinvention as just another neoliberal party has left.

[–] g7s 4 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

What are you guys talking about? "His own paty" could be interpreted as members from the SPD, and they did in majority vote for trust. https://www.bundestag.de/parlament/plenum/abstimmung/abstimmung?id=938

[–] trollercoaster@sh.itjust.works -2 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

I'm genuinely surprised. Got too used to those bastards lying to me.

Still an epitome of democracy with virtually all votes being cast strictly along the party lines. Looks like those overpaid muppets are sitting there just to represent their party leaders, not the people.

[–] g7s 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Got too used to those bastards lying to me.

I feel you, man. I had to make a feddit account, just to spread the facts.

Still an epitome of democracy

Well... I guess they knew it was in vain to vote for trust anyway. Not sure If everybody really believes in Olaf Scholz still, but by voting for distrust (no matter if that would change anything), it would cause too much party politic issues, and a bad image for the SPD if they all voted distrust. Of course, it's still fooling people If the majority voted for trust, but don't believe in the chancellor anymore. But I guess to properly represent the people who voted for SPD, it's the better move. While I don't know any younger folks still believing in SPD, some older people still do, and by voting for distrust, I think, they would have fooled the people voting SPD even more. I don't know If the people who voted SDP still believe in them, but I think it's the right image portrayed, that a party stands behind their elected leader, especially with the upcoming elections, where Olaf Scholz is their leader again. I guess they will have to stick with him for now, even though there would be more suited people in the SPD, with less negative press (cum-ex) affiliated with them.

tl;dr: Don't trust people on the internet ;)

[–] trollercoaster@sh.itjust.works 3 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I know a few (former) SPD members who are quite pissed off at the party and what Schröder and Scholz turned it into. Their story is all the same. They are old-school social democrats who fail to see any social democracy in the party the SPD has become.

tl;dr: Don’t trust people on the internet ;)

I never have.

Source: Am a person on the internet.

[–] g7s 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

"Wer hat uns verraten" ...

Unfortunately an old SPD tradition dating back more than a century...

[–] Nomad@infosec.pub 0 points 5 days ago (3 children)

He asked his own people to vote this way to force new elections

[–] g7s 2 points 5 days ago (1 children)

What are his own people? Party members? They voted for trust. https://www.bundestag.de/parlament/plenum/abstimmung/abstimmung?id=938

Seriously, do you people even look for sources before making any claims?

[–] Nomad@infosec.pub 0 points 5 days ago (1 children)

German member of his party.... Am Primary source

[–] g7s 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Jaja, have you check the results I posted? Nobody voted "no", 6 people didn't submit their vote.

[–] Nomad@infosec.pub -1 points 4 days ago (1 children)
[–] g7s 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Dude? Are we talking about the same thing? Please check the results of the link I have provided, where you can see that the SPD voted yes for Olaf Scholz, which is himself from the SPD.

[–] Nomad@infosec.pub 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Seriously though. I said he asked the party members, they did not oblige. Original commenter sucks Russian dick.

[–] g7s 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I see the misunderstanding. Nonetheless any sources backing that claim?

[–] Nomad@infosec.pub 1 points 8 minutes ago

Internal member emails? They are not for public consumption though.

[–] tobogganablaze@lemmus.org 0 points 4 days ago

And not a single one listend?

[–] trollercoaster@sh.itjust.works 0 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Yes, this is still massively dishonest, as the mechanism isn't meant for willy-nilly forcing new elections just because the guy in front wants it so.

[–] bob_lemon 1 points 5 days ago

the mechanism isn't meant for willy-nilly forcing new elections just because the guy in front wants it so.

That is exactly what this mechanism is for. The chancellor is literally the only person that can call for this kind of vote of confidence (Vertrauensfrage).

https://www.bundestag.de/services/glossar/glossar/V/vertrauensfrage-245558

You might be thinking of the constructive vote of no confidence, which is a different mechanism that allows parliament to elect a new chancellor.

https://www.bundestag.de/services/glossar/glossar/K/konst_misstrau-245482