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A community for those who want to end work, are curious about ending work, want to get the most out of a work-free life, want more information on anti-work ideas and want personal help with their own jobs/work-related struggles.

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[–] DogWater@lemmy.world 34 points 6 days ago (14 children)

It applies to all regular citizens. Cops tell guys there's nothing they can do about XYZ all the time.

The only divide is class divide.

Also, I thought that lady who used Luigi's shell casing words also said "you're next" which definitely adds to it

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 14 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (6 children)

The only divide is class divide.

Every time I see people say this, all I can think is that they've never had someone get in their face and hate them for existing as part of a group of people.

Because there is literally a divide between bigots and non-bigots. There are plenty of dirt-poor bigots out there and "they aren't your real enemy" is not going to convince them.

It's a little chicken and egg, I think. Racist ideas were used to justify slavery, but it's also possible that racist ideas played into the beginning of enslavement of Africans as well.

These days, I think it's just a matter of people become bigoted through largely osmosis, and the conservative mindset is fertile ground for bigoted messaging. Political and economic elites, then, focus on culture war bullshit because it works as an effective smokescreen to prevent the news from focusing on billionaires' (effectively) war crimes.

Big ol feedback loop of bigotry, unfortunately.

[–] Notyou@sopuli.xyz 6 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

As someone that says 'no war but class war' let me clarify.....yes there are clearly other divides. They are distracting us to keep us divided. Many times the bigot and non-bigot ven diagrams are 2 circle on top of each other, but it's still based in class warfare.

Rich white went and got poor black slaves because it was cheaper than paying the local poor for work. Then the local poor hate the newly migrated people of color. It was slaves, but moved to employing underage kids for foreign countries. Either way it is still a class divide.

The rich use the media to keep us (working class) mad at each other and blame each other for taking our jobs. The truth is the owner class stole our wealth and sold it back to us for money. We were too distracted with lies about honest work to realize the truth in time. Some of this stuff happens in cycle and they wouldn't notice for themselves. They get stuck buying way too much because it's too easy and they don't realize until they own more stuff than they need.

I know not everyone on 'my side' will agree with me and there are blind spots for me. I'm American, globally my quality of life is awesome and it's on the backs of child slaves that I'm too disconnected with to feel guilty about. If you are an American and feel a certain way about your cell phone and chocolate, just know it's not magic. A bad system that we can make better is currently in place. We take for granted because bad people employing child labor because it is cheap.

We are still on the same side even if we don't know it. I believe it was Warren Buffet that said

There's class warfare, all right, but it's my class, the rich class, that's making war, and we're winning.

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[–] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 8 points 6 days ago (1 children)

"you're next" is a prediction, not a threat. Don't normalize the conflation of the two.

[–] DogWater@lemmy.world 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Depends completely on context. Idk if you're being tongue in cheek or not

[–] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 1 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

The context is "beyond a reasonable doubt".

In legalese, "It depends" translates to "Not Guilty": you must assume the accused's purpose and intent was innocent, if any innocent interpretation is at all "reasonable".

With that being the case, cops and prosecutors might have had sufficient justification to conduct an investigation, but that investigation does not seem to have turned up sufficient evidence to arrest or charge her.

She's going to get settlement when she decides to sue. Should be enough to cover the procedure she was apparently denied.

[–] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 10 points 6 days ago

No war, but the class war.

[–] NutWrench@lemmy.world 6 points 5 days ago

This. The job of cops is to protect rich bastards and their stuff.

[–] trolololol@lemmy.world 5 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Now that I think of it, I think cops sit on the wrong side of the class divide when they're performing their jobs, but on our side when asking for working conditions.

Their job is to protect capital and government. Same for military.

[–] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 4 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Wait you mean cops are class traitors? No way!

[–] trolololol@lemmy.world 1 points 5 days ago

I've also heard they're bastards, but that can't be true

[–] DogWater@lemmy.world 1 points 5 days ago

Wild how that works lol

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[–] sumguyonline@lemmy.world 21 points 6 days ago

It should be made clear, phone workers are not the ones deciding you and your loved ones don't get anesthesia, they deserve no hostility as they are merely stuck in the same system trying to feed themselves and their families. The boards, ceo's, and owners of insurance companies raking in billions... They very much should be terrified. Rightly so.

[–] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 20 points 6 days ago

something something ingroups outgroups

something something protecting but not bound by it

something something bound by it but not protected by it

[–] Braindead@programming.dev 20 points 6 days ago

Don't forget, corporations are people too.

/s

[–] Allonzee@lemmy.world 5 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

The class war transcends all others.

American women need only see all the women politicians, CEOs, and doting nepo daughters perfectly comfortable with forcing poor women to take an unwanted pregnancy to term only to have their Healthcare needs denied to understand that.

You need to be human to be in their elite sisterhood first, and your net worth means you don't qualify. Sadly it's all too common to hear that and try to imagine how to break into that little sociopath club rather than fight it.

[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 7 points 6 days ago (2 children)
[–] raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world 16 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (4 children)

She had told her insurance on the phone due to a denied claim "Deny. Depose. Defend. You guys are next" https://lemmy.world/post/23146938

[–] ALoafOfBread@lemmy.ml 5 points 6 days ago (1 children)

It's crazy because while that could read as a threat, it could just as easily be read like: "You're doing the same thing that got that insurance ceo killed. You're (i.e. your company, people like you, etc are) probably next on the list if this keeps happening to people."

[–] raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago (1 children)

That kind of is the threat? The dumb thing is the worker on the phone shouldn't feel threatened because (s)he isn't a stinking rich CEO.

[–] ALoafOfBread@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

But that scenario definitely does not meet the legal definition of a threat. It's just a statement of opinion based on current events - she did not threaten anyone necessarily

I should have clarified - that's the threat that those prosecuting her are referring to. It is a threat by any contextual interpretation, but it's indeed harmless in comparison to other things that people get away with without consequences all the time. For example murderers in uniform.

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[–] yeather@lemmy.ca 9 points 6 days ago

Woman says defend, deny, depose, and you’re next to healthcare insurance workers on a recorded zoom call. They arrested her and have her held on $100k bail.

[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 4 points 6 days ago

May King Louie finally lose his head.

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