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It applies to all regular citizens. Cops tell guys there's nothing they can do about XYZ all the time.
The only divide is class divide.
Also, I thought that lady who used Luigi's shell casing words also said "you're next" which definitely adds to it
Every time I see people say this, all I can think is that they've never had someone get in their face and hate them for existing as part of a group of people.
Because there is literally a divide between bigots and non-bigots. There are plenty of dirt-poor bigots out there and "they aren't your real enemy" is not going to convince them.
It's a little chicken and egg, I think. Racist ideas were used to justify slavery, but it's also possible that racist ideas played into the beginning of enslavement of Africans as well.
These days, I think it's just a matter of people become bigoted through largely osmosis, and the conservative mindset is fertile ground for bigoted messaging. Political and economic elites, then, focus on culture war bullshit because it works as an effective smokescreen to prevent the news from focusing on billionaires' (effectively) war crimes.
Big ol feedback loop of bigotry, unfortunately.
As someone that says 'no war but class war' let me clarify.....yes there are clearly other divides. They are distracting us to keep us divided. Many times the bigot and non-bigot ven diagrams are 2 circle on top of each other, but it's still based in class warfare.
Rich white went and got poor black slaves because it was cheaper than paying the local poor for work. Then the local poor hate the newly migrated people of color. It was slaves, but moved to employing underage kids for foreign countries. Either way it is still a class divide.
The rich use the media to keep us (working class) mad at each other and blame each other for taking our jobs. The truth is the owner class stole our wealth and sold it back to us for money. We were too distracted with lies about honest work to realize the truth in time. Some of this stuff happens in cycle and they wouldn't notice for themselves. They get stuck buying way too much because it's too easy and they don't realize until they own more stuff than they need.
I know not everyone on 'my side' will agree with me and there are blind spots for me. I'm American, globally my quality of life is awesome and it's on the backs of child slaves that I'm too disconnected with to feel guilty about. If you are an American and feel a certain way about your cell phone and chocolate, just know it's not magic. A bad system that we can make better is currently in place. We take for granted because bad people employing child labor because it is cheap.
We are still on the same side even if we don't know it. I believe it was Warren Buffet that said
The saying isn't trying to claim those people don't exist, of course they do. The saying is a declaration of the truth. The truth that those people are fucking wrong and dumb for their bigoted beliefs. Because our only enemy is the .01% at the top.
Your only enemy is the .01% at the top.
A lot of us have a second enemy- the bigots that want us dead. You can call them wrong and dumb for their beliefs, but they would still rather shoot me and people I love in the head than a CEO.
OMG I know. When I say our I mean all of the middle and lower classes which includes them stop rehashing
This is what you said:
Those fucking wrong and dumb people are my enemy because they want me and people I care about dead much more than any CEO. It's that simple. You want me to team up with a Nazi to fight the people at the top. I'm telling you they're both my enemies. Fascism does not know economic class.
"you're next" is a prediction, not a threat. Don't normalize the conflation of the two.
Depends completely on context. Idk if you're being tongue in cheek or not
The context is "beyond a reasonable doubt".
In legalese, "It depends" translates to "Not Guilty": you must assume the accused's purpose and intent was innocent, if any innocent interpretation is at all "reasonable".
With that being the case, cops and prosecutors might have had sufficient justification to conduct an investigation, but that investigation does not seem to have turned up sufficient evidence to arrest or charge her.
She's going to get settlement when she decides to sue. Should be enough to cover the procedure she was apparently denied.
No war, but the class war.
This. The job of cops is to protect rich bastards and their stuff.
Now that I think of it, I think cops sit on the wrong side of the class divide when they're performing their jobs, but on our side when asking for working conditions.
Their job is to protect capital and government. Same for military.
Wait you mean cops are class traitors? No way!
I've also heard they're bastards, but that can't be true
Wild how that works lol
Yes, she made an explicit threat towards people on a recorded zoom call.
People get death threats for the most silly things these days, in all sorts of ways, and nobody is going to get fined. This is all BS.
Take the families who were harassed by Alex Jones for example, they got heaps of death threats and no one was fined for it.
Most people do not get the death threats on camera, and then have the person admit to the police they made the threat like the woman did.
The Alex Jones related threats were in fact anonymously made making it incredibly hard to verify and convict. Jones was also ordered to pay almost a billion dollars for making the original claims and spurring on the threats.
You can take it seriously but I doubt law enforcement will
I thought some of those people got caught. Maybe I'm mixing that up with Jan 6ers though.
The ones they could get they did, like the stalker for the one family that hired private security. The majority of threats were online and anymonymous.
She told them that they were next. That is not a threat. That is a prediction.
She walked right up to the line, but the reports of her actions do not indicate she crossed it.
"Luigi Mangione allegedly killed your competitor's CEO over behavior just like this. Keep this up, and some copycat is going to do the same to you."
That's not a threat. That is an observation; a prediction. That is protected speech. And that is a perfectly reasonable interpretation of the words she is reported to have spoken.
yeah, she said "you people are next", and she said it to a specific person following an obviously politically motivated assassination. Very different from some X-itter anon reposting a vague anti-abortion slogan with no real attachments to something like a high-profile assassination.